If you have no aspirations of interacting with others and will spend the bulk of your time questing and leveling, be whatever you want, it won't matter to anyone anyways.
My first Diablo 2 character was a paladin, my first WoW character was a paladin (horde in tbc), the first class i started playing in Hearthstone was a Paladin. Definitely going to main Paladin again in vanilla. Also never really thought about it but ive been playing blizzard games my entire life! i was pretty blown that they renamed paladin to Crusader in diablo 3.
Originally i was going to go dwarf for the racials but after playing around with charater creations i decided i really dont like the dwarf models and im probably gonna role human female
My first Diablo 2 character was a paladin, my first WoW character was a paladin (horde in tbc), the first class i started playing in Hearthstone was a Paladin. Definitely going to main Paladin again in vanilla. Also never really thought about it but ive been playing blizzard games my entire life! i was pretty blown that they renamed paladin to Crusader in diablo 3.
Originally i was going to go dwarf for the racials but after playing around with charater creations i decided i really dont like the dwarf models and im probably gonna role human female
Yet your profile indicates you will be a rogue... Is this some sort of rogue trick? A distraction perhaps?
I get the whole "play what you want" thing but ret paladins are cringe and no one wants to raid with a guy playing an intentionally subpar spec, it's rude to the rest of the raid and is essentially broadcasting "I'm going to fuck around while you guys play serious, please carry me for months until I get fed enough gear to be useful".
Ret paladins are not good unless severely geared (requires much much much more gear than other classes to be decent), it's wrong to give good gear that could go to a warrior to a ret paladin. Thankfully most people have wised up and ret paladins will only be played in bad guilds or guilds where they circlejerk with a guild master, no good guilds will allow them because paladins are one of the best healing classes in the game and it's a waste to have them play ret when other classes can do their job much better with a lot less gear. It also makes your guild look bad if people know you take ret paladins to raid.
I get the whole "play what you want" thing but ret paladins are cringe and no one wants to raid with a guy playing an intentionally subpar spec, it's rude to the rest of the raid and is essentially broadcasting "I'm going to fuck around while you guys play serious, please carry me for months until I get fed enough gear to be useful".
Ret paladins are not good unless severely geared (requires much much much more gear than other classes to be decent), it's wrong to give good gear that could go to a warrior to a ret paladin. Thankfully most people have wised up and ret paladins will only be played in bad guilds or guilds where they circlejerk with a guild master, no good guilds will allow them because paladins are one of the best healing classes in the game and it's a waste to have them play ret when other classes can do their job much better with a lot less gear. It also makes your guild look bad if people know you take ret paladins to raid.
*Caperfin kicks in the door.
I've experienced a different mindset on pservers. Nearly everyone agrees the game is TOO easy and desperately impose challenges on themselves to make it harder or spice things up a bit like Speedruns. I've seen everything from guilds bringing paladin tanks to raid or the heart pounding and intense warlock raid tanking. The difference between a Discord with a warrior tanking and a warlock tanking is night and day. Its super thrilling! The tryhard/hardcore guilds are actually the ones that do unconventional stuff.
If the difference between a dead and alive boss is 1-2 people going non meta stuff there are bigger underlying issues.
In regards to ret, check out Spelladin its LITERALLY revolutionary.
I get the whole "play what you want" thing but ret paladins are cringe and no one wants to raid with a guy playing an intentionally subpar spec, it's rude to the rest of the raid and is essentially broadcasting "I'm going to fuck around while you guys play serious, please carry me for months until I get fed enough gear to be useful".
Ret paladins are not good unless severely geared (requires much much much more gear than other classes to be decent), it's wrong to give good gear that could go to a warrior to a ret paladin. Thankfully most people have wised up and ret paladins will only be played in bad guilds or guilds where they circlejerk with a guild master, no good guilds will allow them because paladins are one of the best healing classes in the game and it's a waste to have them play ret when other classes can do their job much better with a lot less gear. It also makes your guild look bad if people know you take ret paladins to raid.
*Caperfin kicks in the door.
I've experienced a different mindset on pservers. Nearly everyone agrees the game is TOO easy and desperately impose challenges on themselves to make it harder or spice things up a bit like Speedruns. I've seen everything from guilds bringing paladin tanks to raid or the heart pounding and intense warlock raid tanking. The difference between a Discord with a warrior tanking and a warlock tanking is night and day. Its super thrilling! The tryhard/hardcore guilds are actually the ones that do unconventional stuff.
If the difference between a dead and alive boss is 1-2 people going non meta stuff there are bigger underlying issues.
In regards to ret, check out Spelladin its LITERALLY revolutionary.
That's very nice that the dozens of other people in a hardcore guild all agree they have extra time to burn trying out sub-optimal specs in their raids because they have all rolled fresh so many times that they need new excitement.
For everyone else, we have better things to do than babysit ret pallies with raid dreams. The raids are already exciting during progress, and I want to go outside the raid and spend time picking herbs, mining ore, hitting that guy trying to take my nodes, hit up Warsong Gulch, spend time IRL with family and friends, cook, have hobbies besides WoW, etc. when they're on farm. Ideally, do all that even when they're on progress too.
The rest of my raid might even want to also. Don't get me wrong, I'm still getting world buffs, consumes, pre-raid BiS, showing up to the raid on time, and doing my best to top the meters, but I expect everyone else to be too so that they don't waste my time. A Ret Pally's best is being hybrid spec and putting on a dress to heal while they wait to get their PvP gear, not pretending that they rolled something they're not.
Advertising to the semi-casuals who frequent this forum that they can be whatever they want is misleading. Approval to play these specs would normally be happening on a guild forum for a player who has already proven themselves.
People dictating one way or another what someone should play is bullshit. Provide advice on playstyle, on viability and whether it is optimal. Don't try to force players to conform to the masses. If every raid composition and players spec are all exactly the same wearing the same BiS gear, this is going to be a very dull game. I hate the attitude of people having to do exactly as 'Guide X' or they are sub-optimal, that's crap. Don't make 5million clones, or everyone will get bored and quit.
Read. Make your own decisions, do your own theorycraft, try new things out, or follow an optimal guide for the simple minded. Whatever makes you happy makes you happy. If you want to cruise through 14 year old content following someone else's rules, that's your prerogative, but don't shit on people who don't enjoy the game the same way you do. Each to their own. Play the game, you will have fun your way and keep the judging bullshit to social media.
People dictating one way or another what someone should play is bullshit. Provide advice on playstyle, on viability and whether it is optimal. Don't try to force players to conform to the masses. If every raid composition and players spec are all exactly the same wearing the same BiS gear, this is going to be a very dull game. I hate the attitude of people having to do exactly as 'Guide X' or they are sub-optimal, that's crap. Don't make 5million clones, or everyone will get bored and quit.
Read. Make your own decisions, do your own theorycraft, try new things out, or follow an optimal guide for the simple minded. Whatever makes you happy makes you happy. If you want to cruise through 14 year old content following someone else's rules, that's your prerogative, but don't shit on people who don't enjoy the game the same way you do. Each to their own. Play the game, you will have fun your way and keep the judging bullshit to social media.
I think there's a bit difference between having unique and varied specs and having unique and varied roles.
I was Moonkin specced in vanilla with the 31st talent and everything and I was brought to raids to heal and decurse. I never even saw Chromaggus alive because I was so well hidden back there decursing. This may seem like a really funny joke but I actually didn't. Many ferals used their 20% more int talent to good benefit and put on their heal gear for raids back then too.
I am all for hybrid specs and unique specs, but there is some reality that many of the roles are going to be the same regardless, at least in raids. But then, I always felt that the main draw of the hybrids was PvP where you could truly use most of your abilities.
I am actually starting to hate the word 'min-max'.
Best refer to The Virgin Min-Maxer vs The Chad Immersion, lol.
As someone who played a lot in classic but focused more on PvP than PvE, I'm excited to try raiding this time, but nervous at the same time. I've never been able to wrap my head all the gear, specs, and numerous tidbits of info every raider seems to have to know/already knows.
I'm going frost mage for farming, is that considered suboptimal for raids?
As someone who played a lot in classic but focused more on PvP than PvE, I'm excited to try raiding this time, but nervous at the same time. I've never been able to wrap my head all the gear, specs, and numerous tidbits of info every raider seems to have to know/already knows.
I'm going frost mage for farming, is that considered suboptimal for raids?
Not at all. All the way up to AQ frost is the best. There are certain frost specs considered the best, but I am not certain of what the numbers look like if you don't go all the way matching them. Just a guess and I could be wrong, but I wouldn't think that you'd be too far down the meters if you have a spec that's close and likely your fellow mages want to PvP too if you're on a PvP server.
It is a mystery to me if guilds want everyone to go fire for AQ when Frost is still a perfectly fine DPS spec even if a bit lower at that point.
I know there's tons of BiS guides, but are there any guides for gear to get while working towards the BiS gear? Or do people just usually check out https://classicdb.ch/ or something?
I know there's tons of BiS guides, but are there any guides for gear to get while working towards the BiS gear? Or do people just usually check out https://classicdb.ch/ or something?
I think typically while doing dungeons and group quests leading up to chasing your BiS gear you will generally deck yourself out in decent enough gear. I don't think many people release pre-pre-raid BiS. Lvl 50-55 dungeons is where you get the bulk of the gear required to run the level 58-60 dungeons that have the BiS gear.
that's good to know. Is pvp gear considered decent for any of the early raids?