Heh. Learn to read I guess? I specifically mention the claim about the requirement of chugging mana pots. It's written in the very part of the post you quoted @Linguine. It doesn't mention Warriors or Druids in any way.
Are you four years old? Why do you have to be so smug?
I would say it's "oozing" with "smugness" (or something...else).
I am sure @Stfuppercut would agree.
And then they both call me toxic.... Nice to see how they suddenly become Killerduki.
Well no, because when a Warrior starts tanking in preraid blue gear they will not be generating enough rage to use an ability every GCD. As gear progresses, you get more rage generation which increases the frequency of your abilities. At later stages you also start incorporating more Heroic Strikes into your rotation as replacementes for white hits.
A Paladin will never be able to increase the frequency of which you get to use your abilities. That is the main difference.
Isn't that = Less Gear = More Damage Taken = More Rage , More Gear = Less Damage Taken = Less Rage?!
Yeah it's not as if you get higher weapon damage, more crits, hit more, get more Flurry procs etc. Warrior damage and thus threat also scale exponentially with armor debuff and reducing the boss armor down to 0 like you most likely can in Classic means more or less endless amounts of rage. This is not the case for a Paladin.
You have a very simple and incomplete understanding of the games combat mechanics if you think it's as simple upgrading gear means you produce less threat.
Let me explain. When you enter Molten Core in blue gear, your raid is able to handle the incoming damage. As you get more gear, you dont actually want to wear more mitigation. You want to wear the exact same level of mitigation, but replace your defensive pieces with more and more offensive pieces. At the same time your healers are also gearing up which means they have an easier time keeping you alive.
By the time your guild progress to BWL you can wear mitigation gear once more, as the incoming damage increase. As you gear up in BWL you can replace more and more of your mitigation gear with offensive gear to increase your threat.
By the time AQ40 comes out...
You see where I am going with this? Armor is just a very minor part of what makes up your total Rage generation. It's also the part that smoothes out incoming damage from wearing less mitigation and defense, and high HP/Armor will easily keep you alive
As long as you have enough health and armor that you wont die to spikes of burst damage, you are free to wear as much offensive gear you can get your hands on. Warriors also get a tank set in every single raid tier with amazing itemization. Getting enough health and armor in between your offensive items is much easier than on a Paladin. Def stance is also a huge assist here.
Where is Deep Wounds debuff slot wasting , benefits who ? none!
Deep Wounds is a low priority debuff. It will NEVER knock off any debuff your raid actually want to be up on the boss. You keep demonstrating you dont even grasp the very basics of combat mechanics and its getting old.
Judgement of Wisdom support = ALL Mages , Warlock , Spriest , Healers (pala/priest/druid) = More DPS By Warlock/Spriest/Mages , More Heal by Healers.
How is https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=20355/judgement-of-wisdom restoring the mana of healers? Their heals are not attacks made against the boss, and to attack the boss would waste mana and negate any benefit of the mana return anyway.
Furthermore, Wisdom is a waste if the mana is not needed due to the fight not being long enough to warrant it. Fights are much shorter after all when your DPS is not held back by threat or their own poor skills.
And then they both call me toxic.... Nice to see how they suddenly become Killerduki.
I have not randomly accused anyone of racism.
Yeah it's not as if you get higher weapon damage, more crits, hit more, get more Flurry procs etc. Warrior damage and thus threat also scale exponentially with armor debuff and reducing the boss armor down to 0 like you most likely can in Classic means more or less endless amounts of rage. This is not the case for a Paladin.
https://youtu.be/Lrxl7I_3wlY?t=3889
That's why Offtank Warriors are nowhere near close to Threat in Magmadar , because "they rely on higher weapon damage" and NOT that much on "DMG Income" ...
The 2 Warriors in the Video are DPS and not Prot!
Please provide evidence that Prot Warrior is doing high amount of threat by not taking DMG!
Let me explain. When you enter Molten Core in blue gear, your raid is able to handle the incoming damage. As you get more gear, you dont actually want to wear more mitigation. You want to wear the exact same level of mitigation, but replace your defensive pieces with more and more offensive pieces. At the same time your healers are also gearing up which means they have an easier time keeping you alive.
By the time your guild progress to BWL you can wear mitigation gear once more, as the incoming damage increase. As you gear up in BWL you can replace more and more of your mitigation gear with offensive gear to increase your threat.
By the time AQ40 comes out...
The exactly same thing you would do as Paladin either, you get more threat gear and you don't actually want to wear more mitigation.
So we are in the same boat out there .
You see where I am going with this? Armor is just a very minor part of what makes up your total Rage generation. It's also the part that smoothes out incoming damage from wearing less mitigation and defense, and high HP/Armor will easily keep you alive
That's what Psojed told you either, Paladin also do use Tier 2/2.5/Naxx/PVP Pala Offsets for such behavior either.
Warriors also get a tank set in every single raid tier with amazing itemization. Getting enough health and armor in between your offensive items is much easier than on a Paladin.
Much easier is not true , as i already explained how Paladin Gearing up work in the Video i created for Full Defense Gear, doesn't mean you can't shift that Gear for :
D2 , PVP , T2 , T2.5 , Naxx Pala Offsets + many other AQ Plate with SP Items.
The exactly same thing you would do as Paladin either, you get more threat gear and you don't actually want to wear more mitigation.
So we are in the same boat out there .
He's already been over this.
The threat pieces for Warrior have high innate stam values due to being from later content.
Paladin? Can't even get enough mitagation it looks like judging from your Magmadar Video where you almost die twice even with AQ gear.
I can imagine what this video would look like with less gear and no Thunderfury.
How is Judgement of Wisdom restoring the mana of healers? Their heals are not attacks made against the boss, and to attack the boss would waste mana and negate any benefit of the mana return anyway.
Melee Swing by Holy Paladin between heals = mana regen , Wanding by Priest Healer = mana regen , Perhaps for Druids is little more complicated , but Druids anyway are last to have such mana issues.
Furthermore, Wisdom is a waste if the mana is not needed due to the fight not being long enough to warrant it. Fights are much shorter after all when your DPS is not held back by threat or their own poor skills.
Mages = they don't have to spend GCD for Mana consumes , Warlocks = they don't have to waste GCD for Mana and risking their lifes for reducing their Health for that , Spriests = they already do have Mana issues.
Furthermore, Wisdom is a waste if the mana is not needed due to the fight not being long enough to warrant it. Fights are much shorter after all when your DPS is not held back by threat or their own poor skills.
Mages = they don't have to spend GCD for Mana consumes , Warlocks = they don't have to waste GCD for Mana and risking their lifes for reducing their Health for that , Spriests = they already do have Mana issues.
Mana Consumes (Mana Gem, Demonic Rune, Mana Pot) don't use GCD.
Edit: Warlocks do not lifetap except in emergencies. They also use Demonic Rune.
Paladin? Can't even get enough mitagation it looks like judging from your Magmadar Video where you almost die twice even with AQ gear.
Sure it would been extremely easier to survive in Fire Resistance Gear (which you can easy get before any Raid, before AQ) . I don't deny that fact!
Furthermore, Wisdom is a waste if the mana is not needed due to the fight not being long enough to warrant it. Fights are much shorter after all when your DPS is not held back by threat or their own poor skills.
Mages = they don't have to spend GCD for Mana consumes , Warlocks = they don't have to waste GCD for Mana and risking their lifes for reducing their Health for that , Spriests = they already do have Mana issues.
Mana Consumes (Mana Gem, Demonic Rune, Mana Pot) don't use GCD.
Sure, but you can use them once every 2 minutes.
Evocation = Holy Shit! .....Congratulation , you just waste 8 seconds = 1k dps = 8000 damage!
Thanks to JoW you just did 8k damage more each 8 minutes.
Furthermore, Wisdom is a waste if the mana is not needed due to the fight not being long enough to warrant it. Fights are much shorter after all when your DPS is not held back by threat or their own poor skills.
Mages = they don't have to spend GCD for Mana consumes , Warlocks = they don't have to waste GCD for Mana and risking their lifes for reducing their Health for that , Spriests = they already do have Mana issues.
Mana Consumes (Mana Gem, Demonic Rune, Mana Pot) don't use GCD.
Sure, but you can use them once every 2 minutes.
Evocation = Holy Shit! .....
They don't need them more than once every two minutes. They fight is over if it isn't on a boss like Nef, and Holyfrog has already said that is a situation for JoW.
waste GCD for Mana
Wanding by Priest Healer = mana regen
Wanding activates the GCD and the Priest would only ever do this if they truly were OOM, something that should not be happening on short fights.
And then they both call me toxic.... Nice to see how they suddenly become Killerduki.
You are most certainly toxic. You behave like a child.
Please provide evidence that Prot Warrior is doing high amount of threat by not taking DMG!
Seriously. You and Skarm already had this discussion in the TC discord. You both went on the repack, you both did multiple TPS tests as offtanks and Skarm beat you hands down every time on threat.
You have already have this proven to you over and over. Why do you flat out deny it? What the fuck is wrong with you? You were given HARD evidence that Warriors produce more threat than a Paladin both when maintanking and offtanking and yet you have the audacity to sit here and demand evidence that this is the case when its already been proven to you.
Please provide evidence that Prot Warrior is doing high amount of threat by not taking DMG!
Seriously. You and Skarm already had this discussion in the TC discord. You both went on the repack, you both did multiple TPS tests as offtanks and Skarm beat you hands down every time on threat.
You have already have this proven to you over and over. Why do you flat out deny it? What the fuck is wrong with you? You were given HARD evidence that Warriors produce more threat than a Paladin both when maintanking and offtanking and yet you have the audacity to sit here and demand evidence that this is the case when its already been proven to you.
I thought his posts seemed really weird... It was also strange that a new member came onboard with such a quantity of information supporting his claims on one subject. Fixated on one subject. He had a poorly constructed argument, but it also seemed to be an argument that he spent a lot of time constructing. He didn't seem to make any posts on any of the other topics. It would appear that he spends his time seeking this specific topic out (paladin tanking) and then begins spamming videos, often misrepresenting them or flat out lying about the context of the videos. It was also strange that he began to counter certain arguments before they were presented to him, as if he had this debate before.
Each and every time we offered specific criticisms, we would be spammed by an obnoxious wall of videos that failed to move the conversation forward because he would claim they were progressive raids while wearing gear that outmatched the content.
This is why I treated him like a child right out of the gate. I was pretty surprised that moderation stepped in and quoted me, when he was behaving so toxic, name calling, etc... Really terrible addition to the community to be honest. Calling people racists, and now projecting toxicity on everyone else... I am not a mental health professional but we might be dealing with something other than a passionate gamer. Holyfrog definitely sheds a lot more context on killerduki's past. This gives a lot more insight into what kind of person we are dealing with. It would be nice to go full circle and bring Skarm in on this conversation to have the cycle completed.