Taunt doesnt do anything to the threat table, it just forces the mob to attack you for the period of the spell.
This isnt correct. Taunt will set your threat to match the threat of the player currently on top of the threat table. If this was not the case it would not be possible to do bosses like Four Horsemen where tanks will rotate in and out to take the boss back after more than a minute of tanking something else or waiting for stacks to reset.
Mocking Blow and Challenging Shout however work the way you describe.
Taunt used to work the way you described, but this was changed almost immediately upon the games release, as early as Patch 1.1.0.
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Patch_1.1.0
Taunt: Now gives the target just enough threat to attack you. Cooldown added.
Because of how early this got changed, there was never a case of anyone doing raids in Vanilla where taunt did not have the threat match function.
Damn. In all my years of private server playing I didn't know about this change. I assumed there was some sort of threat reset in taunt swap fights like that.
But I play a prot pally so it doesnt concern me anyway, lol :)
Prot paladin best paladin.
I remember you. Ossi tanking I think.
Taunt doesnt do anything to the threat table, it just forces the mob to attack you for the period of the spell.
This isnt correct. Taunt will set your threat to match the threat of the player currently on top of the threat table. If this was not the case it would not be possible to do bosses like Four Horsemen where tanks will rotate in and out to take the boss back after more than a minute of tanking something else or waiting for stacks to reset.
Mocking Blow and Challenging Shout however work the way you describe.
Taunt used to work the way you described, but this was changed almost immediately upon the games release, as early as Patch 1.1.0.
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Patch_1.1.0
Taunt: Now gives the target just enough threat to attack you. Cooldown added.
Because of how early this got changed, there was never a case of anyone doing raids in Vanilla where taunt did not have the threat match function.
Damn. In all my years of private server playing I didn't know about this change. I assumed there was some sort of threat reset in taunt swap fights like that.
But I play a prot pally so it doesnt concern me anyway, lol :)
https://youtu.be/7SxgzQFZUVQ?t=1597
;)
Before holyfrog deceive you.
I know what I'm about duki :)
Watched your video a while ago. Good stuff.
Starting my own guild with some old school players - sitting at a solid 20 man core right now. Should be able to get some quality raid tanking footage.
Starting my own guild with some old school players - sitting at a solid 20 man core right now. Should be able to get some quality raid tanking footage.
Good luck , anything i can help you with ,feel free to poke ;)
I know what I'm about duki :)
Watched your video a while ago. Good stuff.
Starting my own guild with some old school players - sitting at a solid 20 man core right now. Should be able to get some quality raid tanking footage.
Be sure to get some footage on progression so we can really figure out how viable this is!!! Super excited to watch your progress!
Prot paladin best paladin.
I remember you. Ossi tanking I think.
Ossi is one of my favorite fights to tank. AQ20 is a lot of fun.
For anyone not aware, duki has spent the last several years on a constant propaganda campaign to convince the vanilla community that paladins are actually excellent tanks or DPS, and alluding to a bunch of evidence that he either can't provide or provides in the form of highly questionable cherrypicked screenshots/videos. All the way back to the early days of Nostalrius, he was shitting up their forums with long debates about how paladins are great at all roles and everyone's just too stupid to see it. If you're inclined to believe his nonsense, beware that he's extremely dishonest and manipulative.
In my point of view I dont really care if they're bad or not. I never felt the need to prove myself for everything I do.
When I started tanking as a paladin I basically ignored every guide, every how to video, all the fourm naysayers and just figured it out for myself. I had a lot of failures and a lot of surprises. I altered my strategies to get around hurdles and created my own playstyle that worked most of the time depending on how drunk I was.
My recommendation to newer players is just do it and ignore everyone else. Figure it out for yourself if you enjoy doing it. Dont be scared of failure or messing up. You will never learn otherwise. Is playing prot challenging? No. Does it require some more grinding in regards to resources, consumes, gear? Yes. (Wow grinding in vanilla? Ridiculous!)
I'll be playing prot paladin regardless as I have for half a decade. Don't let forum bickering decide for you. Most people dont give a shit and a lot of guilds enjoy the extra challenge of changing it up with a pally tank, moonkin, etc.
Tldr: dont let nerds decide what you should do
I agree with most of this. I do think guides are great, and I do think re-inventing the wheel is maybe not the best approach when you are trying to fit into a guild where 39 other people have expectations of killing bosses.
However given the state of the information on Paladin tanking at the moment, I dont think your approach is too bad. Like you, I also figured out most of what I know on my own during my year on Northdale. A lot of what I do is based on how I approached Palatanking in TBC both in 2007 and on private servers, which I then adapted to Vanilla's Paladin mechanics and pve mechanics.
I do think playing Protection Paladin requires a special kind of mindset though. It's for sure not for everyone, and you have to be willing to put up with a very strong stigma against the class, as well as being willing to overcome the challenges that playing Paladin pose compared to other tanks.
But plenty of players have done it. Caspus is one of the people I actually look up to as far as Paladin tanking goes. He has extensive experience tanking raids, and has made the class work in a raid scenario.
I'll quote this part of Caspus post, as this is really the most important part:
My recommendation to newer players is just do it and ignore everyone else.
If you REALLY want to play Protection Paladin, then just do it. If you work hard and you are willing to learn and do a lot of work trying to find solutions to each problem you will face then you will be rewarded for your efforts. Just dont expect the class to perform at the same level as the other tanks and dont expect easy raidspots like a good Warrior/Druid tank will get. As long as you are well aware of this, and you are willing to work around that then Im sure you will eventually find a raidspot where you get to play the spec you want to play.
If you enjoy problem solving and figuring out solutions on making a janky class work. (Because it can work) you'll enjoy it a lot and will certainly impress yourself and others as you play. Protection paladins reflect the actual players ability and determination. The player carries the spec more than the spec carries the player.
If you want to to have a more casual say experience, more laid back (for lack of better term) then warrior will be a better choice for the "just wanna get shit done" type of player.
If you're into min/maxing to the furthest degree and wanna speed run raid content then go warrior.
Protection paladin is best explained as a tryhardy spec in a relaxed environment. You can get everything done but not to the highest degree (and that's okay).
Hi palatanks enthusiasts, I've been wondering if there was a big difference between humans and dwarfs racials when it comes to this role. What would you recommend? I have to say I'm more into female dwarves... :)
When it comes down to it play what you want.
But I prefer humans basically because of Sword and Mace spec which gives +5 weapon skill to mace/sword. This helps out on overall threat. You also have diplomacy which is my favorite racial in the game because 10% rep makes the game that much easier overall (at least for me).
Dwarves have stone form which clears and makes you immune to all disease and poison and gives a extra 10% armor while the ability is up. Since you're a paladin you can already get rid of disease and poison with cleanse though a mana free "cleanse" is nice when you're stretching out your mana and the 10% armor isn't crazy (but it can be nice on some bosses)
In my experiences I always preferred human. I always aim to maximize threat. But if you like dwarves and a little extra mitigation and a free cleanse then go for it.
Hi palatanks enthusiasts, I've been wondering if there was a big difference between humans and dwarfs racials when it comes to this role. What would you recommend? I have to say I'm more into female dwarves... :)
Human is the clear choice if you intend to do any sort of bosstanking.
Why? Because most tank weapons are swords or maces, which means you will be able to take advantage of the +5 weapon skill at any point throughout the game. Because there's very little gear with chance to hit available for a Protpala, in practice a Dwarf Paladin tank will never be able to reach hitcap without severely gimping their gear.
A Human however can, as having the racial and speccing into Precision in the prot tree means you need a total of 3% less hit to reach the cap than a Dwarf for a total hitcap of 3% from gear. This is perfectly attainable by just wearing more or less regular gear, especially late game when some tank gear starts to get hit on it as well.
For everything that isnt a boss such as raid trash, boss adds, or dungeons it makes no real difference which race you pick. I dont consider the human reputation racial to be that good. There's not a lot of factions where this rep will actually matter. Unless you intend to farm rep like timbermaw, thorium brotherhood etc, then all the factions you need rep with are so easy to get exalted with anyway.
The only really timeconsuming one would be Zul'Gurub, but at most you talk about saving 100g or so in Bijous on the auction house. Not worth picking human for that alone. It's really the weapon skill racial that makes Human the king of PvE on Alliance. 3% hit from a racial is HUGE, and the glancing blow damage reduction, while not that great for a Paladin is still just a nice icing on the cake.
Thanks a lot for your detailed answers guys! My first ever char back then was a human paladin, I will reconsider it :)