I should have ended my previous post with a "Play what race you prefer".
At the end of the day, you play to enjoy the game. If you want to play dwarf and not human, then just do it. The difference in the grand scheme of things is not that huge.
I agree with most of this. I do think guides are great, and I do think re-inventing the wheel is maybe not the best approach when you are trying to fit into a guild where 39 other people have expectations of killing bosses.
This is everything. If you are solo, make self-interested decisions. If you are part of a team, make decisions that benefit your team. Create value and you will be valuable. Create a deficit and you will be disposable. In all situations in life, not just raiding.
This is a video game, its not that serious. Play however you want, be nice to people and make friends.
This is a video game, its not that serious. Play however you want, be nice to people and make friends.
True enough. I have played on numerous rec sports teams with adults on the weekends. There was still a base amount of coordination and teamwork that is necessary to have fun. If you plan on playing a rec hockey game and 5 goalies show up, it wont be fun. If someone attempts to be the goalie without any goalie equipment this also wont be fun. Teamwork requires a bit of selflessness in any circumstance.
Yes but this is a video game. The same game where you can kill ony with 40 priests or even 4 man it. I would argue playing a pickup softball game takes more coordination and teamwork than raiding BWL. You don't need a min max comp to clear content smoothly. There are going to be many guilds with a lot of memes running around clearing content like everyone else.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree then =). A group of 40 players playing selfishly with no regard for the team or success will just end in full blown failure. Video game or not, it is a team-based activity.
Prot paladin best paladin.
I just had to create an account just to say you are Shimmering Platinum in this Warhammer to the head thread.
I do agree with that fully 100%. 40 people being selfish will lead to failure. But that has nothing to do with if someone is playing a different spec or not. Unless in your mind you're imagining a guild with all the tanks being prot paladins, 18 of the dps are arcane mages, smite priests and feral druids and all the healers are specced shadow/ret/feral so they can pvp afterwards. Then yes that would crash and burn. But i'd have a feeling that guild would struggle to figure out how discord works before they even step foot in a raid.
Everyone is selfish to a degree. No one plays this game purely on the fact of teamwork and doing whats best for the guild. There are selfish desires mixed into everything.
I've seen min/max, everything perfect speed clearing guilds crash and burn after clearing AQ40 on release day and guilds with off-specs like ret paladins/prot, moonkins, smite priests etc clear most of naxx which started at launch day.
I've been in a speed clearing guild on Northdale on my orc warrior. Min/max everyone was the correct race/spec. 38 minute MC clear was the record I was apart of, 45 minutes for BWL, AQ40 cleared at launch. But the guild was full of toxic pricks so it died. At the same time there is a guild running around with memespecs clearing naxx as we speak.
Guild survival is based solely on the personalities of the people playing and the leadership. Not by what people play as a class/spec (Of course you need a balance of tanks, dps and healers...But its a MMO and people aren't hard to find.). I can attest to this because I played Protection Paladin since the launch of lightbringer and progressed MC all the way to naxx without tossing on a dress to heal while i've watched guilds with the perfect comp, perfect setup, tryhard to the max burnout and die before AQ was released.
Tldr: It doesn't matter what you play to clear content
Tldr: It doesn't matter what you play to clear content
Play what I find most enjoyable and make it work for me? Fun? Enjoyment? NOT OPTIMAL?
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If you do get the chance, I think this video will help shed some light on prot pally tanking in vanilla Gauze.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdNFdBB3GfA
Most of this was covered throughout the thread, but the information is a bit more credible coming from someone with a lot of prot pally experience. For context, the video you will be watching has gameplay of a VERY geared prot paladin clearing a very entry level piece of content and you can still see the mana issues that were discussed. He has some interesting insight on gearing as well.
Bear in mind that this footage is from private. So it is entirely possible that prot paladins will be the BEEZ KNEEZ in Classic, if private values were WAY off... But lets be real, this will probably be your reality give or take a little inaccuracy here or there.
edit: It's really funny to think about the juxtaposition of some of these meme specs. Most of these specs are inherently suboptimal but require a player to min/max in an effort to make them viable? So you have to be a min/maxer and intentionally choose a suboptimal spec and then min/max just to become relevant. A really strange thought. I guess this is why they appeal to such a small percentage of the playerbase? I didnt realize how deep the tanking meta goes for prot pallies... As I watch this video, its so much worse than I had imagined.
I'm not a fan of paladins, but I love the tanking playstyle of it. Incredible AoE, the only downside is the amount of consumables you need :C
I can't take Skarm seriouslly when he talks about paladin tanks. He's a good warrior tank but he should just stick to that. Watch his pally videos with a grain of salt if you must. But when he talks about paladins his goal is pretty much just to shit talk.
He's not really a great warrior tank either (sacrilege I know), just a max effort one.
I was doing double facepalms when he did that off-tank threat "competition" on target dummy with Duki and was using heroic strike.
I've actually raided with him and had a lot of buddies continue to raid with him and they never liked him. I guess that makes me bias but he crashed his own guild and caused a lot of drama.
Hey folks, it's pretty easy to find infos about high level and raid tanking but what about low level? Seem like there's a good 100% to 150% damage difference between beta and private servers at low level which greatly increase survivability before you can pick up redoubt but what about threat? I only tried to tank as a paladin once and it didn't went really well so i'd like to know what do you guys do early on to keep the mobs on you, spamming consecration doesn't sound like a good idea when a single cast burn like a quarter of your mana.
Hey folks, it's pretty easy to find infos about high level and raid tanking but what about low level? Seem like there's a good 100% to 150% damage difference between beta and private servers at low level which greatly increase survivability before you can pick up redoubt but what about threat? I only tried to tank as a paladin once and it didn't went really well so i'd like to know what do you guys do early on to keep the mobs on you, spamming consecration doesn't sound like a good idea when a single cast burn like a quarter of your mana.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeQ0i1u43mo&list=PLTAB_IDaPkeE9iQl_NQkjcnR4SXDhS2gK
Press the name of the Video , it will show you whole playlist of all type of 5 man low lvl tanking.
Hope will help you solve your problems or answer your question there.
Keep an eye on drinking amount and mana there , it helps you lot to understand how they work and why it work that way ;)