Caperfin I am curious about "Threat Leap Frogging", haven't heard the term, would you be so nice as to explain the basic principle?
Do you want to play paladin tank for it's fantasy or for the playstyle? I personally find the spell rotations as pala tank quite boring, thus not worth the trouble for me.
Rinkusan Basically, overthrowing suddenly the current tank's threat to gain aggro, through clever mechanics.
Let me explain, the current tank that has aggro on the boss can receive Blessing of Protection, Limited Invulnerability Potion, light of elune, etc... during this time the second tank in threat uses a combination of heavy dealing threat inducing things to gain aggro: trinket activate, oil of immolation, power infusion, racial activate, equip threat wep/shield, etc...
P.S. I've even had Judgement of the Crusader applied as a temporary debuff while I overthrew the current tank threat, the moment I overtook threat it simply was removed. Also, this "trick" is VERY EASY on the Alliance assuming you put in the effort.
1. The environment that will most probably decline your wish to tank as a paladin will not be a casual environment, it will be at the progressive/hardcore end of the spectrum. If you want to play a protection pally in a casual guild, I'm sure you'll find a community that enables you to.
This, this so much.
Too many people speak in absolutes when they should speak in the context of hardcore/progressive only. You being a casual player in a casual raiding guild, or getting time to only pug 1 or 2 dungeons when you log on to play, you likely wont ever experience the resistance to pally tanking that you feel from certain commenters in this thread.
Also remember that the numbers for beta are differing from private servers by a lot. No one really knows how Pally tanking, or any spec will really clock in at. We have a good idea, but its difficult to say if the threat mechanics for palladins will be identical to private servers, or if it will be easier or harder (Compared to PS)
Caperfin thank you, good sir.
Also many people are assuming paladin tanking is only accepted in casual guilds. THIS IS not the case. Paladin tanking (especially in a raiding context) requires massive amounts of effort and therefore the guild needs to reflect this mentality.
It has become very much the norm the last few years for Hardcore guild to adopt unconventional stuff just because it imposes a challenge to an otherwise trivialised games.
Does anyone here find it ironic that it requires a certain degree of min/maxing to effectively tank as a prot paladin, but choosing to play a prot pally is suboptimal right out of the gate? We have a casual guy here, playing a very small amount of time, looking to get into the game and tank a few dungeons, maybe participate in the odd raid and logout. He wants to know if prot pally is for him. It clearly isnt. Yet we're going to sit here and micro analyze ALL of the things he would need to do, outgear the content, farm consumes, find people to accept him, etc etc etc... Instead of just accepting the reality. This will not be suited for OP. This will not be suited for the majority of players.
You need to be someone who is willing to min/max. You will need to read about your spec and learn the nuances of your spec. You will need to actively downrank your spells and use a TON of consumes, even for the most trivial content. You will need engineering and you will need to play with competent players who use their threat meter and understand your weaknesses. ALLLLL of these stars need to align, just so this guy can do some dungeons. Lets be real. This wont be for him. This wont be for the majority of users. These meme specs are meme specs for a reason. This isnt to say they arent valuable in a certain context, but dont bullshit this poor guy.
Its SO crazy to me that most min/maxers roll their eyes at these sorts of specs (me included), yet the people vouching for them HAVE to min/max just to make their spec playable. Lol. Its so weird. I understand that being unique and playing something unconventional is attractive for some of you, but the effort vs the reward will not be worth it for most people.
These meme specs are meme specs for a reason. This isnt to say they arent valuable in a certain context, but dont bullshit this poor guy.
I don't think anyone bullshitted him, it seems like everyone has actually done the opposite and pointed out everything that needs to be done to make it work. It's going to be a shit fight and a shit load of work, but if you really want to do it you can. I don't see much bullshit in this thread personally. It's obviously up to Gauze to decide whether or not he is willing to do it (which is looks like he isn't based on his response), but I think all the facts have been laid out to help him make that decision. Some people are more willing to encourage others to try different things, but there has been a lot of warnings and caveats on the posts here to ensure people know that Prot Paly ain't for the faint-hearted.
Also, you may trigger Caperfin with some of your comments :wink:
I don't think anyone bullshitted him, it seems like everyone has actually done the opposite and pointed out everything that needs to be done to make it work.
The guy said hes looking to play casually and has limited time to play. It quite clearly isnt the spec for him, yet people are continuing to try and sell it. Its just unfortunate.
It's obviously up to @Gauze to decide whether or not he is willing to do it (which is looks like he isn't based on his response), but I think all the facts have been laid out to help him make that decision.
Thats exactly right. Based on his response it quite clearly is not for him.
I'm totally okay with teasing the meme king if he shows up!!!! :lol:
Stfuppercut maybe all the posters encouraging him are all secretly looking to play prot warriors and don't want all their BiS gear taken by some skirt wearing holy man?? :lol:
@Stfuppercut maybe all the posters encouraging him are all secretly looking to play prot warriors and don't want all their BiS gear taken by some skirt wearing holy man?? :lol:
I never considered that... That would be the meta right? Encourage people to play terrible specs so that there is less competition... Why have I been making pro hunter posts all this time? What am I doing!?!
BREAKING NEWS
BOOMKINS WILL BE NEEDED IN CLASSIC! CREATE BOOMKINS AND PROT PALLYS STAT! HORDE BIS RANGED DPS ARE ELE SHAMANS! - avoid hunters at all costs!
HORDE BIS RANGED DPS ARE ELE SHAMANS!
Woah, woah, woah, I'm considering burst PvP ele shaman (yeh ok, not really too PvE viable.... but anyway!)
HORDE BIS RANGED DPS ARE ELE SHAMANS!
Woah, woah, woah, I'm considering burst PvP ele shaman (yeh ok, not really too PvE viable.... but anyway!)
No jokes, if I pushed rank on horde, I would consider playing an ele shaman for PvP. They are nutty. In PvE, they may be in the bottom two specs overall? Complete trash in any raiding context.
Complete trash in any raiding context.
I'd say so, gear full int/regen and do no damage? Or gear full dmg, and go OOM immediately? Hmmm.
Complete trash in any raiding context.
I'd say so, gear full int/regen and do no damage? Or gear full dmg, and go OOM immediately? Hmmm.
Believe it or not, I've even seen some people try to min/max ele into a working spec. "Well if you just have your druids rotate their innervates and..."
We get into the same sillyness as any of these other conversations. Making the terrible spec work just requires you to min/max, outgear the content, use a TON of consumes and find a group of enablers who are willing to accommodate your suboptimal choices despite the fact that it will drag them down as well. It just isn't practical for the majority of the playerbase.