Before boss died.
Recap of what happened. It's by no means anything impressive in my eyes because this was a million times easier than tanking private server Luci...but it does highlight some things that are diffrent compared to private server tanking.
This is just some random welfare PUG I joined due to boredom, not half bad for the average 25-30 people and mixed levels.
I was a OT and I was tanking a add, the MT was on the boss. After my add was killed I went to the boss as they killed the other add.
Around 45% the MT got nuked, luckily for the raid I was being smart and was building threat and was 2nd on threat.
Through Greater Blessing of King spam and regular rotation I maintained full threat on the boss until he died with almost no consumes (It was a random pug I wasn't wasting consumes on this).
So the difference between private servers and classic is that RF works a lot better with our spells. RF applies threat to our Greater Blessings. If you spam buff the same class (Target the class with the most players) which in this case it was the paladins with 7 people. I was able to do about 450-500 threat per GBoK cast (The threat increases the more people you buff). This ontop of my normal rotation did around 1k TPS, now due to me not using consumes I was oom a good bit towards the end. With GBoK only costing 150 mana I regened this pretty fast. (Would've been faster if I had Wisdom on the boss, but I wasn't thinking.) So ontop of having Seal of Righteousness up and meleeing and a Greater Blessing of Kings going off around ever 5 seconds I was easily able to maintain threat without issue until we killed the boss.
I was also able to use the blessing as a form of sudo taunt. The OT and I had a good deal going to where if I was sitting at 20% or so he would taunt off until I get topped off. I would cast off about 2-3 Greater blessings off and the boss came back to me. So in a way I can "taunt".
Also the threat meter sucks, it is not accurate. If it was we would've wiped so theres that.
And to think, poor innocent Gauze, still a lvl 1 on this forum, accidentally started this thread with an innocent question that was answered on the first page.
He just wanted to innocently try to be a prot paladin because they exist in retail lol.
Plenty of good information in this thread. But come on guys, so few of us around and people give us a hard time, should we not unite and help each other instead of killing each other on the forums?
Incidently, I'm also a prot pally that has started tanking in MC.
Would it be possible to have access to the spreadsheet as well? I was looking through it and there's some information I'll be able add on to it too.
So the difference between private servers and classic is that RF works a lot better with our spells. RF applies threat to our Greater Blessings. If you spam buff the same class (Target the class with the most players) which in this case it was the paladins with 7 people. I was able to do about 450-500 threat per GBoK cast (The threat increases the more people you buff). This ontop of my normal rotation did around 1k TPS, now due to me not using consumes I was oom a good bit towards the end. With GBoK only costing 150 mana I regened this pretty fast. (Would've been faster if I had Wisdom on the boss, but I wasn't thinking.) So ontop of having Seal of Righteousness up and meleeing and a Greater Blessing of Kings going off around ever 5 seconds I was easily able to maintain threat without issue until we killed the boss.
Also the threat meter sucks, it is not accurate. If it was we would've wiped so theres that.
Hey Caspus, have you tested if its ALL greater blessings affected by RF? or just the Holy Tree (Light and WIsdom). But yeah technically all pally spells are classified as Holy.
It is all greaters. The only reason I use kings specifically because it's the lowest mana cost, only being 150 mana.
Also just ignore them. They'll keep whineing like school children till the end of time over a video game. If you wanna learn more about prot paladins I can PM you a discord link that's not full of people who are nihilistic assholes who get off to telling people no or delusional people who are in fantasy land that pretty much make stuff up.
So the difference between private servers and classic is that RF works a lot better with our spells. RF applies threat to our Greater Blessings. If you spam buff the same class (Target the class with the most players) which in this case it was the paladins with 7 people. I was able to do about 450-500 threat per GBoK cast (The threat increases the more people you buff). This ontop of my normal rotation did around 1k TPS, now due to me not using consumes I was oom a good bit towards the end. With GBoK only costing 150 mana I regened this pretty fast. (Would've been faster if I had Wisdom on the boss, but I wasn't thinking.) So ontop of having Seal of Righteousness up and meleeing and a Greater Blessing of Kings going off around ever 5 seconds I was easily able to maintain threat without issue until we killed the boss.
Also the threat meter sucks, it is not accurate. If it was we would've wiped so theres that.
Hey Caspus, have you tested if its ALL greater blessings affected by RF? or just the Holy Tree (Light and WIsdom). But yeah technically all pally spells are classified as Holy.
Everything with the exception of Blessing of Wisdom, which does not generate threat. The other Greater Blessings produce threat equal to the level of which they were learned, so in the case of Kings it will produce 60 threat per player buffed, multiplied the 1.9x modifier on Righteous Fury.
And please, Caspus. You are well aware I only have a problem with Killerduki as he's repeatedly being misleading by posting flat out false information that can be easily proven as false. So I really do not appreciate that you tell people to ignore the rest of us when all you do yourself is post "Protection paladin best paladin" in every thread rather than contributing to fighting the false info as well. Saying we are all nihilistic assholes getting off on telling people no, is one major assumption that you have no right to be making because thats just no true. I just care about the information actually being correct and I believe this thread demonstrates that.
I know that you are experienced with the class, so it would be good if we actually got your perspective as well. Take moonfirespammer's advice and let's unite together instead of dividing further.
Never said ignore the rest of you I just said ignore the people who clearly don't contribute and make up stuff like killer. None of what I said was related to you, mostly stfu and killer. Who are polar opposites in this topic and contribute nothing.
Was early in the morning so I apologize if I made it sound like fuck everyone.
Its funny how you proclaim as contributor , when you contributed barely nothing and holyfrog contributing arguing with me most of the time...
What contribution did you provide so far?
Blessings being bugged and work with rf?
Prot paladin best paladin.... Imo.
What Holyfrog did contribute so far?
Paladins do low threat, paladins oom, paladins are weaker than warriors, paladins have no taunt....
Nice contribution lads, keep going.
I usually shitpost in public channels because I don't honestly care to contribute that much in threads or channels that end up in a shitfest. I contribute more amongst DMs.
The buff threat is working as intended.
My plan is to only show progress I make here, other than that I have no reason to prove anything I do.
But if you have questions just ask me, I'm not keeping secrets.
Ofc buff threat should be there, but should not be increased with RF if that's the case.
The very same Buff threat should divide amongs all targets who are already affected by your threat too.
Example: if you have 1 target, he then should receive all threat from the amount of buffed players, if you have more than 1 target, then all targets should split threat from buffed players amongs them equally.
RF suppose to increase only holy dmg abilities or holy dmg proc items threat, nothing else, otherwise it is bugged.
Also i do wonder what stuff you mean that i make up? Posting videos of me main tanking raids and tanking dungeons/raids? Telling how stuffs work as protection paladin which opposes your ways?
That's the funny part when YOU mention me about making stuffs up!
Could we get a comprehensive list of threat building abilities sorted by mana usage on Prot pally?
If RF is bugged to grant threat mod on buff application like King..
Can we do the same with aura switching on/off for free? I'm thinking here of a simple macro /stance:1 /stance:2 rolled into a button that we can spam and get free threat?
Not on full guides maker, but you have seal of righteousness as number 1 threat making ability with lowest mana consumption, its not snap threat, but with its own duration is most efficient.
Next is judgement of righteousnes as snap threat , but low mana cost and scale very high with spell power.
Holy shield is mostly effective if you got high block rate, later , aftet you obtain def cap goes bit lower on threat versus other abilities, but it is low mana consumption. Exception is made after you get sapphiron trinket, but thats far, still this ability is good to use for surviving on top of threat making.
Consecratiom, most effective threat making at the very beginning with huge mana consumption, later ot become useless versus single target, okey to use 1-2 times max rank per pull , just to make sure you build quickly aggro, but later should be last one to use versus single target mob/boss.
Most effective and mana efficient is exorcism, high threat with semi-low mana consumption, but limited to undeads.
Judgement of wisdom against single target is most efficient if target is alive for more than 15 seconds, not only the mana regen provides you more threat, will also provide enough mana to survive whole fight duration with your mana pool.
Judgement of crusader , lower threat versus judgement of wisdom due to not being able to regen your mana, still good to use it as 2nd one if you got someone else doing it, suggesting retribution paladin to do it for you.
Retribution aura is most effective threat for literally 0 mana usage, it is much higher threat than blessing of sanctuary.
Blessing of sanctuary for low mana consumptio n does medium threat, lower than retribution aura, but can stack and is good to use due to damage reduction.
Havent tested if auras switching do provide you threat, but if it does, that will be another bug.
Your statement regarding this has no sense at all.
How about you level past 30 and show me how its done instead? :)
Just reminder to you when you did questioned "if the paladin prot becomes a new meta as Killerduki says" (your words) in Classic at the Theorycraft discord . I am not there , otherwise i would have posted it with screenshots , so ppl would have seen who was right and who was wrong all the time.
"Spell Cleave"
Peace out ;)
In this thread, a guy who is level 30 in Classic (killerduki) is arguing with a guy who has already tanked UBRS(holyfrog). The guy that has cleared UBRS outlines the drawbacks to the spec. The level 30 continues to argue...
I assume that Duki will hit 60 sometime within the next 2-4 months. He will join a guild that has cleared MC 16-20 times and they will allow him to tank certain bosses that are on farm. He will record those boss fights and upload them. We will never see an unedited version of Duki tanking through an entire raid as a main tank and we will never see Duki do this during progression. We will only see clips uploaded LONG after content has been killed. Duki will claim its progression and we will watch the people around him sporting numerous raid epics.
The prot paladin community has been hard at work discovering and testing lots of interesting mechanics that will improve our tanking potential.
Sharing some footage I've captured over the past week demonstrating some of these findings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Qv-Povncwo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTSzhJTHS5I
https://www.twitch [dot]tv/redneckrebel/clip/RacyBoringMacaroniFUNgineer?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time
The link to the WoW Forum post gives an in-depth explanation on why Righteous Fury works the way it does, and if the bug has a future.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/righteous-fury-mechanics-op-paladin-threat-1k-tps/318279
I don't really plan on replying to any posts here since the thread tends to quickly derail.
I also plan on updating my prot paladin guide in the near-future to have a table of threat values for various abilities. Personally, I think it's a bit excessive doing that, as GBoK has the highest threat potential compared to all other abilities.