Pre 60? No. But I have tanked all the 5mans succsessfully. I think I might have done a couple LBRS before I hit 60 though.
@Iban Yeah, you could probably pull that off with a blue shield as well without a problem. They really did not hit too hard with Stoneshield Pot and Lay on Hands active. Just make sure you have enough health because the damage you take can be a bit spiky. I assigned two healers to heal the tank on Garr and had everyone else heal me and it was fine. Also make sure you get dispelled insantly.
Mp5 for tanking is not too great. You get some for free on Deathbone but otherwise the value you get from it is not large enough to use it over other items for any other slot.
Some sad news that I had my guild test on Monday. It's been speculated that Consecration might take up a debuff slot, and I was able to get my guild to run the test on that in Phase 1 Onyxia.
What happens is that using Consecration will remove other debuff, and the priority for Consecration is high enough that it will remove somewhat important debuffs such as Winters Chill from the boss. Hoping this might be a bug, and plenty of people have submitted bugreports, but in case its not actually a bug it means that Paladins, and especially Retpaladins got a lot less viable for raiding all of a sudden.
Protection will probably be fine, as their role in raids allow for the usage of Consecration as long as you stick to either trash, adds, or bosses where you can either rely on Greater Kings alone, or use Consecration to build up threat while the raid is busy dealing with some other target first.
In any case, inform your guilds, as Holy Paladins might be putting up Consecration to "help out" when they dont have targets to heal, and that actually lowers the dps of the raid if debuffs are optimized.
Isn't conc just good for snap aggro anyway, and you spam judgement of righteousness otherwise?
@IBAN were you a warrior tank back in vanilla in the valour legion guild?
@IBAN were you a warrior tank back in vanilla in the valour legion guild?
woah! yes! And you were the undead mage!
I have a bunch of accounts now, some on US and some in Europe, but been raiding with the Americans recently as holy paladin
Just yesterday I was actually at Shattrath in MC, which we do now by chugging an arcane protection potion and nuking him down, and I remember Tyneen's voice from all those years ago and how complicated our strats used to be back in Vanilla! And all the banter and jokes which would happen during our raiding. Very memorable community back then. And so many years are going by...
I also saw Tahra three months ago on the European forums! He still plays retail and considers it superior, so it wasn't a friendly exchange. but I actually saw Sin (Chohag) reply just before the thread was deleted. Very cool stuff. Those were special days
What happens is that using Consecration will remove other debuff, and the priority for Consecration is high enough that it will remove somewhat important debuffs such as Winters Chill from the boss. Hoping this might be a bug, and plenty of people have submitted bugreports, but in case its not actually a bug it means that Paladins, and especially Retpaladins got a lot less viable for raiding all of a sudden.
I hope it gets fixed that sucks :(
They can definitely put down a lot of threat, but the lack of a taunt ability makes it very hard to regain aggro if you lose it.
Paladins have no Taunt and are entirely dependant on mana. Once they OOM it means no more agro
Yeah, losing aggro on taunt immune bosses usually is pretty hard to get back.
The idea is to not lose aggro, so don't lose aggro and you'll be fine.
We don't lose aggro when we go oom. There are also things called Mp5, Mana pots, Dark/demonic runes, seal/judge of wisdom and innervate in the game. It's weird honestly. But lets ignore all that.
Appreciate the copy and paste MMOChampion rhetoric though.
Yeah, losing aggro on taunt immune bosses usually is pretty hard to get back.
The idea is to not lose aggro, so don't lose aggro and you'll be fine.
While their comments are sort of lazy and unproductive I will agree with them. This is one of my primary reservations to the prot paladin. You depend on the group understanding your short-comings and accommodating them. If we're being honest, most players are pretty bad, and a feral druid or a warrior can tank in spite of others being bad, where as a prot paladin is sort of at the mercy of the group. This is simply the reality of a prot paladin. In a strong group that accomodates the prot pally, prot paladin tanking can work. In an awful group, things can spiral very quickly. But the strong group would do well regardless of what tank they brought because they are strong and the weak group could be salvaged with a different tank.
I agree with the group dynamic being strong or weak to a degree but I've found myself carrying raids quite a lot honestly. With Blessing of Kings being a meta which is confirmed to not be a bug; threat is a non-issue. I'd purely out-threat warrior tanks any time of the day. Ontop of that this makes it kind of a soft-taunt. If you're MTing or hugging threat you can steal threat through 1-3 blessing casts easily which is fine overall for raiding. So taunt swap fights are not issues anymore which was always my main concern tanking as a paladin.
Gear is the only issue in my eyes. It is 100% easier to gear as a warrior, no questions asked. Prot paladins take more dedication to perfecting their gear and obtaining certain pieces from each raid in order to not feel you're lagging behind. Pre-BIS along side with Dark Iron ring/Shield and ony trinket will do just fine in BWL progression. BWL will be a boost in gear and AQ40 will rocket you. But it's a lot of patience.
Prot paladins are always a casual guild's tank. Or casual guilds that call themselves "Semi-Hardcore". But that being said I've been having zero issue carrying my own weight and more throughout the couple MC's and Ony's ive maintanked so far. (Shazz, a boss I gave up on trying to tank on private servers, i'm now tanking with zero effort and easily "taunting" him every blink through King spam).
four screenshots from today's raid. 
Been a while since I was on here. But I suddenly remembered Stfuppercut said he would follow Duki's progression on youtube, and have to ask if you are impressed? :P
Been a while since I was on here. But I suddenly remembered @Stfuppercut said he would follow Duki's progression on youtube, and have to ask if you are impressed? :P
Progression like bwl progression? I'm assuming it's quite fast considering world first was less than an hour. Perhaps it'll take paladin tanks a few days? especially considering you can cheese it with Gbok spam and if you have tfury.
BWL is easy. The only issue that falls onto prot paladins again is gearing is a lot slower versus a warrior.