Yes they are. HIGHLY based on consumables in fact. You dont plan on using dark runes or mana pots and youre going to play a prot paladin? No engineering? Any of the other pallies in here want to back this guy up? I have heard some wild things in this thread but nothing quite that wild.
Bolded for emphasis on what I believe @Stfuppercut was really getting at here.
I am still waiting for his reply to my longpost. But seeing he reacted to your post but didn't bother to provide examples I asked for, I believe we can safely ignore Stfuppercut's statements.
Tankadins do NOT require using ANY mana potions or runes. Using them is OPTIONAL, not mandatory.
Tankadin uses Judgement of Wisdom to replenish mana during a long fight.
He didn't bother replying because you never refuted him. You completely missed what he actually said in that post and I bolded it so that you could understand.
Please give us a video of a Pally in pre-raid BiS blues *with everyone else in Pre-Raid BiS blues on progression night* not using a potion in a fight. You can even have consume buffs up to make it even with Lilskarm.
Killerduki's video of ONLY casting Consecration while wearing a legendary weapon and equivalent gear means nothing compared to Lilskarm tanking Magmadar in much less gear. Let's see him have to cast his other spells and not go oom in blues.
Armor Pot used , without Thunderfury Tanking and using Flurry Axe (no stats , no stamina) , which also proving you wrong here about it.
Only food and Armor Pot used and that's all.
Unlike me with Pre Raid Blue BiS , Skarm used shit tons of Consumed wearing T3 Gear.
Thunderfury doesn't give you mana and I'm not a Pally gear buff but even I can tell you look like you're wearing the exact same helm.
Which means your guild is likely geared out the wazoo and this fight is beyond easy.
If the DPS can kill the boss before you go oom it's fine for you but that's not a progression raid if they already have the gear.
Yes they are. HIGHLY based on consumables in fact. You dont plan on using dark runes or mana pots and youre going to play a prot paladin? No engineering? Any of the other pallies in here want to back this guy up? I have heard some wild things in this thread but nothing quite that wild.
Bolded for emphasis on what I believe @Stfuppercut was really getting at here.
I am still waiting for his reply to my longpost. But seeing he reacted to your post but didn't bother to provide examples I asked for, I believe we can safely ignore Stfuppercut's statements.
Tankadins do NOT require using ANY mana potions or runes. Using them is OPTIONAL, not mandatory.
Tankadin uses Judgement of Wisdom to replenish mana during a long fight.
He didn't bother replying because you never refuted him. You completely missed what he actually said in that post and I bolded it so that you could understand.
Please give us a video of a Pally in pre-raid BiS blues *with everyone else in Pre-Raid BiS blues on progression night* not using a potion in a fight. You can even have consume buffs up to make it even with Lilskarm.
Killerduki's video of ONLY casting Consecration while wearing a legendary weapon and equivalent gear means nothing compared to Lilskarm tanking Magmadar in much less gear. Let's see him have to cast his other spells and not go oom in blues.
Pre Raid BiS Blues on progression night , NO THUNDERFURY , (Even Skarm using shit tons of Consumes in his Videos despite him wearing a Tier 3 Equipment,so not using Potion is also telling that you play double standards here and you are here for trolling only), Pre Raid group and Green geared group!
Garr - Only Armor Potion used (unlike Skarm with shit lots of Consumes and T3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IPir_IouQ8
Gehenas - Didn't use Potions for mana at all , just Elixir for SP and Food (unlike Skarm with shit tons of Consumes and T3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-vQ_TnB6XQ
Lucifron - Armor scroll , Food buff and SP Elixir , used only once Demonic Rune because Curse from Boss drained my mana, but that's all (unlike Skarm with shit tons of Consumes and T3).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe6CrUoLB58
Majordomo - SP Elixir and only at beginning GFPP , no Runes ,no Pots used (unlike Skarm with shit tons of Consumes and T3).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SDfyrB726Q
Your Ignorance is so strong and demands so big with nothing to offer as a result to prove your claims!
Armor Pot used , without Thunderfury Tanking and using Flurry Axe (no stats , no stamina) , which also proving you wrong here about it.
Only food and Armor Pot used and that's all.
Unlike me with Pre Raid Blue BiS , Skarm used shit tons of Consumed wearing T3 Gear.
Thunderfury doesn't give you mana and I'm not a Pally gear buff but even I can tell you look like you're wearing the exact same helm.
Which means your guild is likely geared out the wazoo and this fight is beyond easy.
If the DPS can kill the boss before you go oom it's fine for you but that's not a progression raid if they already have the gear.
Yeah Sure Enchanted Thorium Helm = Blue Crafted Blacksmithing Helm = Pre Raid and Pre Raid Geared Raid Group = Progression Run , no Carry , no Geared group, no Thunderfury either in these Videos as Progression Raid!
You come with something ,please next time bring evidence for your claims and show me evidence with same Footage of Warrior doing the same!
He didn't bother replying because you never refuted him. You completely missed what he actually said in that post and I bolded it so that you could understand.
Then you either can't read or you are blind.
Please give us a video of a Pally in pre-raid BiS blues *with everyone else in Pre-Raid BiS blues on progression night* not using a potion in a fight. You can even have consume buffs up to make it even with Lilskarm.
Please select a boss that should be tanked, the raid composition so that it is acceptable, and provide a BiS list that is acceptable. Then we can start talking about recording a video which will satisfy your needs.
So far, you and Stfupper have only tried to misdirect this discussion away from stated facts. For example, the Magmadar video was recommended as proof for not using consumables.
Stfuppercut used his wall of text to make it look like using Greater Arcane Elixir was a serious crime to "optimal" tanking. Obvious bullshit, as consumables are not only commonly used on raids, but also using some doesn't affect if a build is working or not.
You Linguine have tried to misdirect the discussion by using Thunderfury as your main point of focus. That is also bullshit move, since you can clearly see the Tankadin use ALL his abilities that he would be using even if he had no Thunderfury to begin with.
But more importantly, let me remind you, I linked that video to prove that you don't need to use consumables. Using TF has no effect on the validity of the proof, because Thunderfury has no effect that would replace a Flask of Titans, a Mongoose Elixir, or a Major mana potion. These are all example consumables mentioned as "required" and "extreme minimum" by the bad Tankadin guide.
Killerduki's video of ONLY casting Consecration while wearing a legendary weapon and equivalent gear means nothing compared to Lilskarm tanking Magmadar in much less gear. Let's see him have to cast his other spells and not go oom in blues.
You can watch any of the videos killerduki linked previously, where he doesn't use Thunderfury.
Yeah Sure Enchanted Thorium Helm = Blue Crafted Blacksmithing Helm = Pre Raid and Pre Raid Geared Raid Group = Progression Run , no Carry , no Geared group, no Thunderfury either in these Videos as Progression Raid!
There is clearly a Priest in the background of the flurry axe video wearing Benediction and this is not a Progression raid as that item's requisite quest item drops from a later boss. Even with a blurry video that obscures most of the gear, I can still see it.
Don't lie to me.
Pre Raid BiS Blues on progression night , NO THUNDERFURY , (Even Skarm using shit tons of Consumes in his Videos despite him wearing a Tier 3 Equipment,so not using Potion is also telling that you play double standards here and you are here for trolling only), Pre Raid group and Green geared group!
Garr - Only Armor Potion used (unlike Skarm with shit lots of Consumes and T3)
Like I just said, this is not a progression raid as people are clearly wearing epics from already clearing the raid.
I already addressed the Skarm+Consumes conundrum in an earlier post. See below.
But as for the buff consumes, if you look to the end of the video you'll see that he wears them even when he is in Full T3 on his real tank. Dreadnaught versus Molten Core is a joke, but he's got them on anyway. Why? Because the dude plays his best 100% of the time, clearly.
If "big" Skarm is wearing Consumes without needing them, how are we to know if Lilskarm needs them? He had all his special consumes in his bags and never reached for them. Some of which, by the way, a Prot Pally could never use such as the Limited Invulnerability pots because the Pally would be chugging mana pots, non-optionally and on a regular basis every fight along with dark runes and anything else they could get their hands on. Same with engi items: they have to pull. They're not for special cases, they're for all the time.
And while I would love to find a video of a Warrior tanking without any type of consume, buff or CD use, it likely doesn't exist for the same reason that there is next to no talk of mages trying to raid with Arcane Missles as their primary DPS method. The people who play these classes don't play them to roll janky half baked combos, they play them to do their best.
@Stfuppercut used his wall of text to make it look like using Greater Arcane Elixir was a serious crime to "optimal" tanking. Obvious bullshit, as consumables are not only commonly used on raids, but also using some doesn't affect if a build is working or not.
You claimed no consumes. There were consumes. Your claim was false. That's all.
You @Linguine have tried to misdirect the discussion by using Thunderfury as your main point of focus. That is also bullshit move, since you can clearly see the Tankadin use ALL his abilities that he would be using even if he had no Thunderfury to begin with.
Thunderfury implies that he has a boatload of gear he could never acquire without first being carried.
You can watch any of the videos killerduki linked previously, where he doesn't use Thunderfury.
Not a progression raid as people in the video are wearing epics from later content. See my above post for more details. For all we know he has Thunderfury in his bags and is using Flurry Axe for a test run.
Thunderfury has no effect that would replace a Flask of Titans, a Mongoose Elixir, or a Major mana potion.
Thunderfury creates more threat, which could correlate to not needing to spend as much mana on abilities to generate threat. In addition to that, the raid will produce more DPS (because their gear is likewise increased through raiding) which means less mana is necessary.
So yes, that's got to be at least one major mana pot.
There is clearly a Priest in the background of the flurry axe video wearing Benediction and this is not a Progression raid as that item's requisite quest item drops from a later boss. Even with a blurry video that obscures most of the gear, I can still see it.
Upon closer look there are at least two https://classic.wowhead.com/item=18608/benediction , a https://classic.wowhead.com/item=18348/quelserrar on one of the OT's (only requires ony, but still, the group isn't hurting for gear), and what appears to be https://classic.wowhead.com/item=19864/bloodcaller glowing green on a mage in the back.
And that's just the stuff that glows. With ZG gear equipped that means that BWL is out and they could have gear from there that I just can't see due to non-glow. They've certainly had ample time to clear a whole lot of MC and get a whole lot of drops.
But wait. There's more.
In the comments of the Flurry Axe Video someone asks Killerduki what his gear and spec is, and Killerduki links a video clip and says "This was the Gear used, only difference is that in Garr i didn't use or had Thunderfury , so i used Flurry Axe."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ustXwpAo9DM&feature=youtu.be&t=2538 )
One of the Pieces is https://classic.wowhead.com/item=21479/gauntlets-of-the-immovable from AQ and his items have ZG enchants.
He did not link his shield but it appears to be https://classic.wowhead.com/item=20688/earthen-guard from Baron Kazum - Also not attainable.
Items he could not have for preraid:
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=21503/belt-of-the-sand-reaver
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=19888/overlords-embrace
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=18406/onyxia-blood-talisman
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=19913/bloodsoaked-greaves
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=21479/gauntlets-of-the-immovable
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=20688/earthen-guard
ZG Enchants + Any other enchants that weren't released yet
Things he could have had:
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=12620/enchanted-thorium-helm#comments (Mouses too quick for me to get a solid look but likely has this item)
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=11927/legplates-of-the-eternal-guardian
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=13091/medallion-of-grand-marshal-morris
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=18754/fel-hardened-bracers
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=10795/drakeclaw-band x2
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=11810/force-of-will
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=14552/stockade-pauldrons
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=14624/deathbone-chestplate
https://classic.wowhead.com/item=871/flurry-axe
Now also keep in mind that not only does he have AQ gear, but his Raid has AQ gear and everything in between.
Unlike me with Pre Raid Blue BiS
Debunked.
https://youtu.be/K3q2add61Ro?t=70
Enjoy in watching all i had, unlike your Skarm Protection Warrior using Tier 3 Gear and shit tons of consumables!
You claimed no consumes. There were consumes. Your claim was false. That's all.
WRONG!
I claimed one consumable from the list, then zero used during the fight, as in zero drank Mana potions. Bolded my own quote that nobody apparently bothers to read:
Care to explain @Stfuppercut how was killerduki able to tank raid bosses in his videos NOT using all these listed consumables? For example his Magmadar video, where he's using a single elixir from the list, no flask, no other consumables, no potion, no dark rune.
Thunderfury implies that he has a boatload of gear he could never acquire without first being carried. Wrong. Him being carried, as in not being able to tank before he obtained raid gear, is just a belief you picked, and can be proven wrong by watching his vids without the gear.
Wearing raid gear only implies that his gear is not pre-raid and that his guild works, since they can actually clear content.
You can watch any of the videos killerduki linked previously, where he doesn't use Thunderfury.
Not a progression raid as people in the video are wearing epics from later content. See my above post for more details. For all we know he has Thunderfury in his bags and is using Flurry Axe for a test run.
And how exactly matters that it's NOT a progression raid? Molten Core progress was done in 2005. We know all about the bosses today. Any raid today, even with phase 1 pre-raid gear, isn't a progression raid, because they already know wtf to do.
But most importantly, "progression raid" or not doesn't affect if Tankadin works or not.
How exactly matters what I have in my bag? This post isn't about if duki has phase 1 bis ( he doesn't, IT'S FREAKING OBVIOUS, doh). This post is about Palatanks!
Thunderfury has no effect that would replace a Flask of Titans, a Mongoose Elixir, or a Major mana potion.
Thunderfury creates more threat, which could correlate to not needing to spend as much mana on abilities to generate threat. In addition to that, the raid will produce more DPS (because their gear is likewise increased through raiding) which means less mana is necessary.
So yes, that's got to be at least one major mana pot.
WRONG!
Thunderfury provides exact threat with each proc. You can easily count the number of procs, get the amount of threat generated by TF, then substract that from any given value displayed in threat meter during the fight. It's so ducking easy.
There was never a situation, where his threat was barely higher than any DPSer' threat, so there was also never a situation during the Magmadar fight, where he would require to drink a pot and use some spell to quicky generate threat.
= using TF or not had no effect on his mana.
And again, this goes to the point where you're demonizing using a single mana potion on a raid boss. WTF? So healers who bring mana pots all the time, are still optimal healers even if they use them. But if Tankadin uses a mana pot during a boss fight, it's wrong? Yeah, bullshit.
Btw., A small tidbit I noticed in one of your posts.
Why would a pally use limited invulnerability potion? Dude, we have two bubbles with exactly the same effect. /facepalm
Linguine , thanks for babysitting these guys, I've been CRAZY busy with work and can only post on the layering threads for now. Limited time. Try to keep these two under control until I have more time to come back and monitor them. Thanks again man, you're a stud!
@Linguine , thanks for babysitting these guys, I've been CRAZY busy with work and can only post on the layering threads for now. Limited time. Try to keep these two under control until I have more time to come back and monitor them. Thanks again man, you're a stud!
This post just oozes assholery, man.
If there's any more comments like the one above I'll just lock this thread and start banning, is that understood guys?
I don't want every discussion on this forum to end up with people getting demeaned or debased like this, for ANY reason.
We should be able to debate a subject with some heat thrown in but don't take it over the fucking top.
@Linguine , thanks for babysitting these guys, I've been CRAZY busy with work and can only post on the layering threads for now. Limited time. Try to keep these two under control until I have more time to come back and monitor them. Thanks again man, you're a stud!
This post just oozes assholery, man.
If there's any more comments like the one above I'll just lock this thread and start banning, is that understood guys?
I don't want every discussion on this forum to end up with people getting demeaned or debased like this, for ANY reason.
We should be able to debate a subject with some heat thrown in but don't take it over the fucking top.
And unfortunately that is their Goal , to have threads like this (who advocate Protection Paladins) locked,deleted or removed.
So anytime there is any thread pop up like this, they will go for it until it goes locked.
Btw., A small tidbit I noticed in one of your posts.
Why would a pally use limited invulnerability potion? Dude, we have two bubbles with exactly the same effect. /facepalm
They spin over Thunderfury , ignoring the other 3 Videos of me using Flurry Axe.
And it's funny ,the Gear i use is mixed between low lvl Raids and Pre Raids , but Videos Recorded was from me using Pre Raid Gear , while the "Legendary Video" was from later raids where i obtained some Gear.