I'd feel uncomfortable deciding who gets what anyway. Would never want to be on the council.
How about this then, my guild isn't looking to progress quickly. The premise of joining my guild is an understanding that people have lives, responsibilities, job, kis etc etc. It'll be very difficult for all members to earn DKP consistently due to other commitments. As such, I believe that for us a Loot Council would be a better solution. But our LC won't be looking at min/maxing for faster progression, we'll be looking at doing our best to make people smile. My guild members joined after reading a very transparent description of the expectations of being a member. AFK's, alt f4's and slacking, having babies sat on your lap crying into the mic at 2am. DKP won't work in my guild, imo, it'll be too situational for many to ever expect to win drops. Its a really tough choice to make. But I believe with the maturity of the community now there won't be any cry babies /gquitting when they don't get what they want. I'd rather run a raid 40 times and every time make someone happy, than run it 20 times to make 10 people happy so we can clear it a little bit faster. I don't know, maybe it's just me. I also don't want to spend half my evening tracking DKP, it's not fun, I've got shit to do too. I'll be relying on "grown ups" making "grown up" decisions and maybe making a sacrifice here or there, for the moral of the guild. Hopefully Dave the Tank may feel a bit empathetic to John the tank as he's had a tough time with his kids the last couple of weeks. So when that new shield drops Dave may just say, "Hey John, you take it bro". That's the guild I want to run. A loot Council by the people for the people.
we'll be looking at doing our best to make people smile
Okay so how do you decide which person gets a staff? A smiling contest? :mrgreen:
Also, my wife, kids, and any IRL people I know won't be playing, and I don't care if you're an officer or not. If you're not in it for the love, and to share that love, then you won't be in it. Personally I believe Pamela who is a single mum of 3 kids and plays when she can should be just as entitled to a bit of loot when she's with us as Jack who raids every week is. Who's really more dedicated, the person managing a family, a house and a job or the guy who has the luxury of sitting at his PC all day? If Jack doesn't think it's fair he's in the wrong place. Why shouldn't Pamela have her moment!
That's just loot socialism in my opinion. Look at Venezuela. :wink:
In my experience, in the right hands, Loot Council unequivocally better for the success of the guild in regards to progression. Get the right pieces to the right people in order to achieve success. With that being said, if your leadership/council play favoritism or puts personal issues in the way, then your guild will suffer harder than a poorly run DKP system.
My vanilla guild on Malfurion started with DKP and ran into some issues early on with hoarding. People were turning down clear upgrade in favor of something else that they wanted. These upgrades were then being sharded and wasted.
A big discussion was made on our forums, we voted and scrapped the DKP system for a Loot Council system. Because of the switch, we lost a few members along the way, but in reality, those individuals weren't real team players, to begin with, and it was a positive loss.
Our guild thrived under Loot Council. Our Loot Council was extremely fair in all but 95% of the looting (we're human and make some mistakes here and there). If a close call came between two people in regards to upgrade, attendance was factored in. If that was equal, they rolled off. The arguments, the gossiping in /tell, the drama stopped. You knew exactly who was most likely getting which pieces first and you knew when you were guaranteed second, third, etc.
Overall, I think both systems work. I prefer Loot Council.
That's just loot socialism in my opinion. Look at Venezuela. :wink:
I'm not sharing our loot with Venezuelans. No dice.
Also, my wife, kids, and any IRL people I know won't be playing, and I don't care if you're an officer or not. If you're not in it for the love, and to share that love, then you won't be in it. Personally I believe Pamela who is a single mum of 3 kids and plays when she can should be just as entitled to a bit of loot when she's with us as Jack who raids every week is. Who's really more dedicated, the person managing a family, a house and a job or the guy who has the luxury of sitting at his PC all day? If Jack doesn't think it's fair he's in the wrong place. Why shouldn't Pamela have her moment!
I would not like to be in this kind of guild. You are opening whole new Pandorra's box. I mean if we take a look at it - Pamela made her choice, she has kids, she manages family and house AND wants the gear comparable to the guy who spend more time progressing? Poor Jack might not have kids or his home but he raid hard and spends his time for the good of a guild. But he will have the same chance to get a loot as some player who plays much less, gets carried all the time and brings less to the guild/raid?
For me that is discouraging and I would not be in guild deiding like that.
Personally I believe Pamela who is a single mum of 3 kids and plays when she can should be just as entitled to a bit of loot when she's with us as Jack who raids every week is.
So it's the person who can come up with the best and most convincing story then? Heck, even if you were to ask people to prove their stories, why should that matter in this game? Did she have those 3 kids with the raid team? What's one got to do with the other? I don't get you.
Who's really more dedicated, the person managing a family, a house and a job or the guy who has the luxury of sitting at his PC all day?
Who's really more dedicated to the guild between those two? Evidently the guy, unless Pamela is having the 3 kids farm herbs for the raid's consumables.
I guess it's a hard concept to grasp. I get that, I'm not even sure it would be feasible at all either. It would require a guild full of trusting, empathetic, selfless and understanding team players who were in it for the love of the community feeling rather than the progression. I can see how that might prove difficult to achieve.
For loot council you need trust and comradeship within the guild, but if the officers are cool then it's great.
DKP really feels counter-productive, makes it possible to screw the other one over. I remember this guy, needed this weapon that nobody else did. Someone else just announced in the voice chat that he'll throw in some dkp even he doesn't need it, juust so the guy can't take the weapon for the least dkp possible, since "it's worth alot more for that to happen". So yeah.
Also, suicide kings is another good option for this (well anything is better than dkp really).
For loot council you need trust and comradeship within the guild, but if the officers are cool then it's great.
DKP really feels counter-productive, makes it possible to screw the other one over. I remember this guy, needed this weapon that nobody else did. Someone else just announced in the voice chat that he'll throw in some dkp even he doesn't need it, juust so the guy can't take the weapon for the least dkp possible, since "it's worth alot more for that to happen". So yeah.
Also, suicide kings is another good option for this (well anything is better than dkp really).
It depends on what DKP system you choose. With fixed price DKP it is not an issue.
If you intend to compete for server firsts you should be using a modified loot council with the rules and metrics used to determine who gets what explained as in depth as possible. With a quality loot council decision you can know who is going to get what before the raid even starts.
If you want to just raid. DKP is fine. Individuals will be happy but your overall guild will suffer. Now if you dont mind this, it's not s problem.
Whoops, replied to the wrong post. Carry on.
DKP with class/spec or MT priority on important drops, plus LC for things like Thunderfury. This is optimal for the majority of guilds.
Pure LC is best for the super competitive ones though.