I would like to start a new character with a spec that no one normally plays but it also works in raids.
Example would be a shadow priest, any other thoughts?
Shadow priest actually does have some cool synergy with Warlocks, When fully optimized a raid that revolves around spriest is probably disgusting.
On the topic of Shadow Priest, things to consider:
Actually, in some polling data taken from the classic wow subreddit, there was no disparity in the number of warlocks between PvP and PvE servers. The only big changes going from PvP to PvE was a big drop in rogues and a big influx of priests. But there wasn't data from this specific survey how the factions cut on PvP vs. PvE
Additionally, it'd be huge if we knew what Blizzard was planning on post-Naxx, because whether there'd be more vanilla content or burning crusade would influence me on my class choice. All these hipster specs become way better in BC (to the point that they're not hipster anymore), and even some specs that are too bad even for the hipsters in vanilla are solid, like I'd 100% play elemental shaman in BC but I wouldn't even play it in vanilla as a hipster. Woof.
Though, tbh, I'm not even brave enough to play full arcane mage. It's cool b/c talents give you +10 hit (!) so you can stack + damage and not worry about hit gear as much, but arcane missiles doesn't crit at all.
On the topic of Shadow Priest, things to consider:
Actually, in some polling data taken from the classic wow subreddit, there was no disparity in the number of warlocks between PvP and PvE servers. The only big changes going from PvP to PvE was a big drop in rogues and a big influx of priests. But there wasn't data from this specific survey how the factions cut on PvP vs. PvE
Additionally, it'd be huge if we knew what Blizzard was planning on post-Naxx, because whether there'd be more vanilla content or burning crusade would influence me on my class choice. All these hipster specs become way better in BC (to the point that they're not hipster anymore), and even some specs that are too bad even for the hipsters in vanilla are solid, like I'd 100% play elemental shaman in BC but I wouldn't even play it in vanilla as a hipster. Woof.
Though, tbh, I'm not even brave enough to play full arcane mage. It's cool b/c talents give you +10 hit (!) so you can stack + damage and not worry about hit gear as much, but arcane missiles doesn't crit at all.
If the experience I had on private servers is anything to consider, the faction slice for PvP warlocks is huge.
For the current big name private servers it's hard to see the slice because they essentially encompass both PvP and PvE players, but in my own experience warlocks were a scarcity on the Alliance side in Warsong despite having enough warlocks in our raids. Once those PvE warlocks get sifted out and instead the PvP warlocks are being relied on I have a feel that extreme poaching will begin.
Ele Shaman is something I have seriously considered maining and trying to raid with. The talents add +11% crit +3% hit and 1 sec reduced cast time on lightning spells, 100% crit damage multiplier. Can heal quite effectively too, even in the caster gear. The main problem? The gear. To raid effectively, you will likely be wearing mostly cloth, and the tier gear isn't suited. Yuck!
This is something that I am still considering. I love druids and I'm 99% sure I will main one, but the Ele Shaman is the only other thing drawing me in...
I would love to talk to you about what spec you're planning to run. I've never even leveled a shaman past 30 but I was noodling around on the wowhead talent calculators and I thought I got a pretty neat talent spec for elemental shamans. How does this look? https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/shaman/BPMfAHQAAzTxDA
I plan on playing a warlock but the idea of throwing lightning bolts has me intrigued.
I would love to talk to you about what spec you're planning to run.
I'll shoot you a PM.
On the topic of Shadow Priest, things to consider:
Actually, in some polling data taken from the classic wow subreddit, there was no disparity in the number of warlocks between PvP and PvE servers. The only big changes going from PvP to PvE was a big drop in rogues and a big influx of priests. But there wasn't data from this specific survey how the factions cut on PvP vs. PvE
Additionally, it'd be huge if we knew what Blizzard was planning on post-Naxx, because whether there'd be more vanilla content or burning crusade would influence me on my class choice. All these hipster specs become way better in BC (to the point that they're not hipster anymore), and even some specs that are too bad even for the hipsters in vanilla are solid, like I'd 100% play elemental shaman in BC but I wouldn't even play it in vanilla as a hipster. Woof.
Though, tbh, I'm not even brave enough to play full arcane mage. It's cool b/c talents give you +10 hit (!) so you can stack + damage and not worry about hit gear as much, but arcane missiles doesn't crit at all.
If the experience I had on private servers is anything to consider, the faction slice for PvP warlocks is huge.
For the current big name private servers it's hard to see the slice because they essentially encompass both PvP and PvE players, but in my own experience warlocks were a scarcity on the Alliance side in Warsong despite having enough warlocks in our raids. Once those PvE warlocks get sifted out and instead the PvP warlocks are being relied on I have a feel that extreme poaching will begin.
I don't think poaching will be that big a deal tbh. Maybe that's just me, but I dunno.
Ele Shaman is something I have seriously considered maining and trying to raid with. The talents add +11% crit +3% hit and 1 sec reduced cast time on lightning spells, 100% crit damage multiplier. Can heal quite effectively too, even in the caster gear. The main problem? The gear. To raid effectively, you will likely be wearing mostly cloth, and the tier gear isn't suited. Yuck!
This is something that I am still considering. I love druids and I'm 99% sure I will main one, but the Ele Shaman is the only other thing drawing me in...
I would love to talk to you about what spec you're planning to run. I've never even leveled a shaman past 30 but I was noodling around on the wowhead talent calculators and I thought I got a pretty neat talent spec for elemental shamans. How does this look? https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/shaman/BPMfAHQAAzTxDA
I plan on playing a warlock but the idea of throwing lightning bolts has me intrigued.
So I was saying this on the other thread. I'd play Ele shaman in vanilla but they're just too bad. Their max rank Lightning Bolt spell is still way weaker than the max rank Fireball/Frostbolt/Shadow Bolt, and then all three of those spells gain an additional rank from the tomes in Ahn'Qiraj and LB does not. Shamans also don't have any mana regen beyond Clearcasting, and they have a super small mana pool. Also, they don't benefit from Curse of Elements (I know, right?) and, even if they did do great damage, have no aggro reduction talents.
The time for ele shaman comes in BC. I'd roll shaman for sure and heal for vanilla if I knew that BC was what will follow after. But without Totem of Wrath or Bloodlust that both come in BC, they offer no extra utility over a resto shaman to a raid. In BC they get mana regen talents and more damage talents. I still might try and play one, but I'm super worried it's just gonna be a flop.
I would love to talk to you about what spec you're planning to run.
I'll shoot you a PM.
See above. I know the talents look super sexy but it's not enough :(
I would love to talk to you about what spec you're planning to run.
I'll shoot you a PM.
See above. I know the talents look super sexy but it's not enough :(
Have you played as Ele at 60? Would love to get some feedback on things like downranking, and gearing int/mp5 etc. Looks like a good spec for PVP Burst, and semi-viable for 5 mans etc. but I don't have experience at 60 to back it up, only guides and videos.
I would love to talk to you about what spec you're planning to run.
I'll shoot you a PM.
See above. I know the talents look super sexy but it's not enough :(
Have you played as Ele at 60? Would love to get some feedback on things like downranking, and gearing int/mp5 etc. Looks like a good spec for PVP Burst, and semi-viable for 5 mans etc. but I don't have experience at 60 to back it up, only guides and videos.
I've played some. In PvP it's a great spec. It's just not good in PvE. I'm not reliable enough for a complete guide, but you would prioritize Mp5 and +hit more than anything else. You have a small mana pool and no talents to help with regen beyond clearcasting. It's fine for 5 man content. Maybe okay for ZG/AQ20, but again, you're the only damage type that doesn't benefit from either Curse (well, alongside Holy). You would just need a lot of consumables just to compare to a mage without any consumables, in both damage and mana management. And a guild willing to take you. I've tried to make it work. It's rough. At the end of the day, if you want to go for it, you just have to rock it. Bring lots of consumables and be willing to heal on the fights where you're needed.
But like I said in the other post, if we know for sure that BC is what comes after, then I'd totally go Shaman with the intent to play elemental in BC content once the talents change over. But we don't know what comes after Naxx yet.
I healed as Shadow because I was too cheap to respec until Geddon. Dont let people tell you how to play
Yall high on some dope Tauren pipe if you think Warlocks are going to do enough damage in P1 to make it worth having a SP over another mage.
Yall high on some dope Tauren pipe if you think..
:lol: :lol: that dank Mulgore grass
The thing people have to remember when it comes to the brokens specs is, its not that the builds are not capable of damage or that they cant hit the damage you need. Most of the issues come from running out of mana mid or late fight and being useless until after that needing unfeasible about of mana pots, or not being able to pot fast enough due to cooldowns.
Boomkin is the prime example here. Balance druid damage is perfectly fine and able to raid. The issue comes from the fact you can not sustain that damage. Arcane mage is much the same, though with more mana, just not enough or sufficient enough damage to mana spells.
If your goal as guild is not to maximize everyones performance, then you dont have to care about it. Just wring as much from it as you can.