Just posted about this in the Tauren Hunter range topic but I think it merits its own thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3GH5cWPFOE
Leeway is when the game extends the melee range of two players that are moving by quite a bit. The effect is magnified for Tauren. This kind of behavior could often be seen in old PvP videos but people have been chalking it up to lag. The current phenomenon has been confirmed as deliberate design by Blizzard to recreate that laggy, slippery feel in melee combat during good connections.
This has obvious implications for dead-zoning, not just with hunters but also warriors where avoiding both melee and charge to leave combat is a common strategy. It's also great for melee classes being kited in general.
Assuming the players are attacking each other vs. one trying to get away, would a non-tauren be able to hit a tauren with melee attacks from an equal distance?
If I'm attacking a tauren as said bovine is running away, will I be able to hit from a greater distance than if I were attacking other races?
This is interesting... thanks for posting.
If I'm attacking a tauren as said bovine is running away, will I be able to hit from a greater distance than if I were attacking other races?
Perplexity didn't demonstrate that but said it was the case. It's pretty much a death sentence for anyone rolling Tauren hunter.
This is awesome! A tauren warriors range would be absolutely nutty... I wonder if this would be enough justification for any min/max pvpers to roll tauren instead of Orc? It will be interesting to see how this develops.
This is awesome! A tauren warriors range would be absolutely nutty... I wonder if this would be enough justification for any min/max pvpers to roll tauren instead of Orc?
As i understand it works both ways. If you both move and you can hit the target from bigger range, the target can hit you too.
This is awesome! A tauren warriors range would be absolutely nutty... I wonder if this would be enough justification for any min/max pvpers to roll tauren instead of Orc?
As i understand it works both ways. If you both move and you can hit the target from bigger range, the target can hit you too.
Yes, this is the way tauren range has always worked. Though, this is advantageous for classes like warrior because in most circumstances, the extra edge their range will give will allow them to land a vital hamstring etc. For other classes like hunter, this will almost always be a net loss.
In fact the tauren racial wasnt acknowledged or dealt with by Blizzard until arenas during Burning Crusade when tauren warriors were able to hit players through the pillars to land hamstrings while they attempted to pillar hump.
This is awesome! A tauren warriors range would be absolutely nutty... I wonder if this would be enough justification for any min/max pvpers to roll tauren instead of Orc? It will be interesting to see how this develops.
/u/Beanna did some pixel counting and made out the total range for moving Tauren vs moving regulars to be 9.61 yards. So leeway is giving a 37% increase in melee range. If that ratio holds up then regular vs regular + leeway would be ~7 yards and Tauren vs Tauren + leeway would be 13 yards. :eek:
I don't want to imply this is all about Tauren though. Anyone kiting a non-cow is going to feel that 7 yard reach.
This is insane. Would work great for Enhancement Shaman, but the looks of Tauren are just not my cup of tea.
Rejoice my Ret paladin and melee brothers! We can now dodge bullshit aoes again!
Rejoice my Ret paladin and melee brothers! We can now dodge bullshit aoes again!
To be clear, leeway is not isolated to melee classes. This will also increase the AoE range of caster spells by 2 yards. I believe this is by design.
https://streamable.com/sovds
Mage in the video is able to trigger the additional 2yard range by jumping in place.
Leeway will effect everyone, but not quite equally. Certain Classes get more out of this mechanic.
Some examples:
Hunters in general find themselves mobile almost all of the time. This essentially makes leeway active for hunters as they are running and kiting which makes them very susceptible to being clipped and deadzoned.
Consider yourself a tauren druid. You are carrying the flag is WSG. You have a rogue JUST out of range behind you spamming his kidney. You shift out of cat to roll some HoTs to counter the bleeds on you, enlarging your hitbox as a tauren WHILE leeway is active due to your movement. He catches you, he lands the kidney, he gets the flag and his team wins the game. This will effect you worse than a Night Elf druid in the same circumstance due to the inherent extra size of a taurens hitbox.
Where a tauren warrior could gain an advantage by violating leeway in conjunction with his extra range to hit you with a hamstring and gap close, the tauren druid who finds himself fleeing and kiting will typically be on the negative end of this same mechanic. When the feral is offensive, he typically finds himself in a shifted form and doesnt gain the advantage of his extra tauren range. When he is most vulnerable out of form, being a tauren increases his vulnerable state and makes him more susceptible to being caught. Combine this with leeway in its current state and I think Taurens will have the most amplified version of the leeway mechanic, for better or worse.
Hunters have a ton of issues right now in the beta. Leeway has a lot of implications... Depending on what version of a hunter we see closer to launch, I could find myself switching to a different class until some of these things are addressed. I dont hate leeway and I am not opposed to it. Leeway DEFINITELY will impact the meta though, and by a large margin, unless they tone it down quite a bit. The curious part of me hopes they tone it down by a little, but that it is still impactful enough to shuffle things up a bit!
I don't like this, at all.
This is definitely something to be considered, for both melee and casters. Although it doesn't even look like a melee range anymore, tbh.
Is it confirmed that this reach for Taurens is not the right one from vanilla? Afaik Blizzard stated that it was, right?
I saw talk in the warlock discord that leeway have been removed from spells now but we had no firm confirmation on that being true. If it is just on melee and not on spells that is kinda stupid also, but all of this looks stupid.
daisyKutter The non-leeway Tauren range is supposed to be correct.