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Wow Classic Population - A census project

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 aeh
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I AM TALKING ABOUT THE LIGHTSHOPE STATS - Because I mentioned in THIS THREAD for people who wanna see some ACTUAL STATS from the Private Servers (They are bigger than the beta, also the new Silverhand realm which got released on Saturday is already bigger than the beta)

It has nothing to do with your project.

 
Posted : 24/06/2019 2:35 am
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I AM TALKING ABOUT THE LIGHTSHOPE STATS

It has nothing to do with your project.

Ahhh now I think I understand, you just talked shit for the sake of an attention grabbing introduction to advertise a pserver that will be dead in 2 month. Gross

 
Posted : 24/06/2019 2:46 am
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^ That's a pretty funky response to an otherwise harmless post, christophrus.

 
Posted : 24/06/2019 2:55 am
 aeh
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Not really, I just sent the people interested in stats a link where they can see how it is currently on the private servers. I'm sorry, but the beta stats aren't really meaningful at the moment.

On the private servers you currently have a much larger range of players. Best example is Silver Hand, which was opened on Saturday to give people without beta access the chance to play one more time before the release.

And it's not advertising either. Apart from that, private servers and everything that has to do with them is allowed in this forum, it's not shit ;)

Edit:
I don't want to attack your project or present it badly, in the long run your project will probably become a very great stats site.
But here you have already lost a user...

Edit 2:
Test wanna see if some time or something change on the post.

 
Posted : 24/06/2019 2:59 am
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Druids tank perfectly well also. Even more so when all the tanking content is 5 mans.

Not in pvp, which I assume is what everyone is doing.

 
Posted : 24/06/2019 3:07 am
 aeh
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Druids tank perfectly well also. Even more so when all the tanking content is 5 mans.

Not in pvp, which I assume is what everyone is doing.

What do you mean in with "not in PvP?"

 
Posted : 24/06/2019 3:19 am
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I AM TALKING ABOUT THE LIGHTSHOPE STATS

It has nothing to do with your project.

Ahhh now I think I understand, you just talked shit for the sake of an attention grabbing introduction to advertise a pserver that will be dead in 2 month. Gross

What the hell. All he did was to link pserver stats in case someone was interested. Not once did he "talk shit" or "attention grabbed". Even complimenting you! The first thing he said was that yours is more detailed.

Why are you this hostile?

 
Posted : 24/06/2019 3:40 am
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Druids tank perfectly well also. Even more so when all the tanking content is 5 mans.

Not in pvp, which I assume is what everyone is doing.

What? Tanks don't really exist in pvp unless we are talking about FC which is the one thing where druids shine more than anyone in vanilla. You are making no sense.

 
Posted : 24/06/2019 4:50 am
Selexin
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I think people in this thread are.... broken.

 
Posted : 24/06/2019 5:00 am
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Not that detailed by far

On the private servers you currently have a much larger range of players. Best example is Silver Hand, which was opened on Saturday to give people without beta access the chance to play one more time before the release.

Well, there is a huge difference between the detailedness of a statistic and the sample set it uses. It's obviously not my fault, when you talk about the detailedness of the projects statistics, but actually mean it's sample set.

I absolutely agree that the sample set from the beta is maybe highly biased, but we dont really know that.

But do you really think that the sample set of this private server is not biased? First of all only people that don't care about piracy join them and thats a huge bias from a statistical point of view, especially when you aim for representative statistic about the whole playerbase. The second huge thing that prevents avarage people from being represented in the set is accessibility. Initially you have to be aware that pservers are a thing, then you have to find one, register on their site, search the net for a client that is compatible with their server and edit a config file. I know thats no that difficult at all for people like us, but its definitly too much effort for an avarage person, only to join a server that becomes meaningless 2 month later. So what you probably see in a sample set from this specific pserver is highly invested hardcore players. Just to be a bit hyperbolic on this point for fun, thats like trying to make predictions on a real market stock by analyzing a random dark net market place inside the tor net :-P

The next big thing you have to think about is, that sample size is not everything that matters in statistic. Sure in general more samples are always better, but when you can select from a pool of people that you have a lot of information about, then a hand-selected set of 1k samples is far superior to a set with a size of like 10k samples that has a lot of unknown bias in it.

Yes it's true. we don't know how Blizzard actually selected the player base for the beta, but I would expect, that they've statistical professionals on their team that finely selected the samples to ensure a high level of diversety, so that they can collect meaningful, representative statistics for themselfs, to be able to predict different things that are important for them for launch. But yeah the data in the census project isn't very complete, at least not for pvp realm horde side, because we are getting data from that side only since thursday. But that only really matters for the overall statistic of that realm, and not so much for the horde specific statistic at level 40. So after all, if I had to make an assertion I would say, that the data from the beta is more representative compared to the pservers one.

But finally I dont think anybody of us is really capable of finding out which sample set is "worse" or "better" and so no one can really make a valid statement about it.

 
Posted : 24/06/2019 5:21 am
 Nyxt
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For a fantasy perspective, I always thought paladins were the most popular, surprised to see them as low as they are in this sample.
Not sure if it was close to the same when vanilla was current.

 
Posted : 24/06/2019 5:37 am
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Going by the picture in OP paladins are the second most popular class and if you go to the site and get the up to date data with a Aliance filter on they are at 14% with hunter, Mage, and warrior ahead of them all on 15%. Paladins are very popular.

 
Posted : 24/06/2019 5:51 am
 Nyxt
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Crap I was just looking at the image he posted and not going to the link lol
Whole different story there

 
Posted : 24/06/2019 5:55 am
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What the hell. All he did was to link pserver stats in case someone was interested. Not once did he "talk shit" [...] Even complimenting you! The first thing he said was that yours is more detailed.

Umm yes, just realized that by now, lol.
Why are you this hostile?

There are only 2 logical explainations that I can come around with:

  • He edited the wording from the second part of that setence.

  • I totally missread that setence and kind of enraged due to a combination of:

  • lack of sleep (working to much on the project)

  • the heat in my room (can't afford AC)

  • the fact that I dont like pservers very much

  • But here you have already lost a user...

    If 2. then I'm sorry and it's sad but I've to take that loss because I'm kind of stupid, but it doesn't necessarily invalidates all the other stuff I wrote about the pserver stats representativity

    If 1. then It's not a loss at all

    Edit: After taking some rest I have to admit, that I was totally overwrought due to lack of sleep the other day.
    I totally missread/missinterpreted his sentence and then totally overreaacted on it also.
    I'm really sorry for that, especially because thats not how I usally are.

     
    Posted : 24/06/2019 6:47 am
     aeh
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    Unfortunately teebling disabled the function to see if a post has been edited or not.
    But I can tell you that I didn't do that. (Maybe teebling restores the feature)

     
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