Worth doing is subjective... or overly viable to the normal player.
I get what youre saying, but this is where conversations become unproductive when discussing what is or isnt viable. "Overly viable"? Being viable should not be a fluid state that is left to interpretation. It is either viable, can work in progression and thus is worth doing or it is not viable. Youre entirely right that this is subjective, which is why so many guys play as sub optimal builds and nerf their teams performance to enhance their own personal experience through selfish play.
All content can be downed with 39 players and thus everything could be considered viable by definition, but I dont think that is realistic or applicable within the context of determining if a specific spec should be brought into a team.
I just want to see some video footage of Enhance Shaman tanking during progression. I'm not interested in a fully geared team carrying a poor tank. I want to see this spec working during progression to see if its actually viable or not.
They're viable as an OT who drops totems, and while MTing is certainly possible (the line between OT and MT is often blurred in MC), it's really not a great idea for most bosses. I can give you a real-ass take on how it pans out on any fight BWL or lower.
They're viable as an OT who drops totems, and while MTing is certainly possible (the line between OT and MT is often blurred in MC), it's really not a great idea for most bosses. I can give you a real-ass take on how it pans out on any fight BWL or lower.
I want to see this done - during progression. Even if it is possible... Why? Why gear and bring someone who is only capable of situationally offtanking? Thats dumb.
They're viable as an OT who drops totems, and while MTing is certainly possible (the line between OT and MT is often blurred in MC), it's really not a great idea for most bosses. I can give you a real-ass take on how it pans out on any fight BWL or lower.
I want to see this done - during progression. Even if it is possible... Why? Why gear and bring someone who is only capable of situationally offtanking? Thats dumb.
Full time OT (think second or third tank). High burst threat on the first mob you kill helps smooth out fights in early endgame, and it's pretty easy to snag stray trash when one of your main threat generators has a 20 yard range. They can do MC in pre-raid BiS and they're not exactly stealing gear meant for other classes.
Great FR tanking as well; being able to gear around your own fire res totem makes it pretty easy to cap out without gimping yourself too hard, plus you got a 10% fire/frost/nature reduction talent and a spell redirect on a short cooldown.
Casual/Semi-casual guilds are also just happy to field more Shammies period. Not saying it's optimal, but it can be and has been done. It'll be a lot easier to do on Classic too considering how much less everything hurts compared to private servers.
Only video I have is the Vael one I linked earlier in the thread.
Only video I have is the Vael one I linked earlier in the thread.
Yeah, I'd be super interested in seeing it used during progression to see if its viable or not.
Only video I have is the Vael one I linked earlier in the thread.
Yeah, I'd be super interested in seeing it used during progression to see if its viable or not.
I would mostly just be worried if I had to tank Golemagg as his earthquaking would give me a goddamn heart attack.
Magmadar could also be a bit dicey. I mean it's the kind of fight where everything generally goes fine but I'm actually sweating profusely at the thought of him being enraged for slightly too long.
Grabbing aggro back after a Shazzrah blink could get mana-intensive; the constant resets mean you can't frontload your threat in a huge burst and spend time regenerating, so you might need an innervate.
Everything else is pretty easy to tank because it's MC. I'd love to try and demonstrate that if I can make room in my schedule to raid this time around, because I know that my anecdotal experience doesn't amount to all that much. It's not something I think could become a new meta or anything lofty like that, but I feel that a Shaman tank's success serves to deconstruct the conventional wisdom of raid tanking and kinda naturally lends itself to the train of thought that brought us DW fury tanks. Warriors also really like not competing with you for loot.
I can help with some of those from testing back in vanilla:
Vanish wipes threat and has no resist chance.
Flask of Petrification prevents movement, attacking, and spell casting - but you become immune to damage. It does not wipe threat, but you cannot have aggro unless there are no other targets on the threat table or you have the enemy taunted. Enemies will ignore you and go after other targets on the threat table.
Limited Invulnerability Potion works like Blessing of Protection - enemies which deal physical damage will ignore you and go after other targets on the threat table. It does not modify or reset your threat or threat generation, you will continue to generate threat while under the effect, and can potentially gain aggro once the effect ends if this puts you in 1st with 110% or 130% of whoever has aggro.
I very much appreciate your help :) Do you know if the Petri buff can be clicked off?
but I feel that a Shaman tank's success serves to deconstruct the conventional wisdom of raid tanking and kinda naturally lends itself to the train of thought that brought us DW fury tanks. Warriors also really like not competing with you for loot.
Yes, hopefully with enough people joining the fray and contributing we can someday reach noticeable old remnants that we saw from fury tank warriors back in the testing days. Classic is turning out to be much more approachable and smoother than pservers. Just recently a Shaman Tank on Faerlina, offtanked all of MC.
Hi, great job putting this comprehensive guide together.
I'm just a newbie when it comes to wow classic so not everything was easy to understand for me.
Although i'm bold enough to start a shamy alt that can tank dungeons.
I have no aspiration of tanking raids so i got a good feeling not everything is mandatory for dungeon tanking what you listed.
My aim is to do the dungeon runs with pug not only with friends. So would be great to have a dungeon leveling section with talent progression, with stat priorities.
When i read the talent sections it didnt make sense to me to have 5percent more mana and not to have the shield spec when admittedly the greatest weakness of the class is the dam reduction.
Daidalos Dungeon tanking as a Shaman is very approachable, no reason to worry at all. You should not have any issues even considering this is your first time with an MMO. Right now, a bunch of Shaman Tanks are wielding 2handers and tanking dungeons...
Shamans don't block very often. Shield spec only becomes relevant in Naxx (very niche). Any other time the threat generated by the extra mana from spells is more important. Threat generation is a much more important achievement/goal than Mitigation.
If you have any other questions, feel free to let me know.
A lot of subjects in my guides have been polished and generally revamped to reflect Classic WoW more adequately. If some thing is incorrect (values/data, etc...) please bring it to my attention.
Why is Stormstrike taken? High mana cost and cooldown.
Also, can a 0/30/21 spec work for dungeon tanking or healing? Not raiding.
Why is Stormstrike taken? High mana cost and cooldown.
Also, can a 0/30/21 spec work for dungeon tanking or healing? Not raiding.
Stormstrike is taken in dungeons because of its bolstering of nature damage, which increases the damage of Earth Shock (our highest threat spell). Also, dungeons are considered very easy, therefore, it's suggested to have a threat weapon which also takes benefit from the instant attack portion of SS.
Yes, you should be fine with 0/30/21 for tanking and healing dungeons. You may encounter difficulties threat-wise if 2 fury warriors are present however, so be on your toes if this ever happens.
What talents would you suggest for a 0/30/21 dungeon tanking/healing build? Or would 0/31/20 be better? I'm just looking for something flexible for gearing up and getting into dungeons faster.
What talents would you suggest for a 0/30/21 dungeon tanking/healing build? Or would 0/31/20 be better? I'm just looking for something flexible for gearing up and getting into dungeons faster.
0/31/20 https://classicdb.ch/?talent#hZVV00Exukxctz0x I'd recommend carrying a spirit/mp5 and equip it when you drink to save time on drinking.
If you have more questions, feel free to let me know!