Kolvacs "Classic raiding only requires like 15 competent people in a group of 40 to be able to kill almost anything pre-AQ. So, bringing an Enhancement shaman isn't going to be the deciding factor between a kill or not."
spot on friend, spot on.
Then the other 25 people complain that the LC was corrupt in giving those 15 people the lion's share of the gear.
Can't win here.
Then the other 25 people complain that the LC was corrupt in giving those 15 people the lion's share of the gear.
Can't win here.
I mean, you don't have to raid in a guild with LC!
This is a pretty terrible mindset to have for Classic raiding.
Enhancement shamans may not be able to output the same amount of dps as a warrior, rogue, mage, etc, but they are able to help those other classes increase their dps with Windfury, Mana totem, or as the Nightfall wielder. Some specs (such as 2h fury slam spec), even require a Windfury totem in their group.
Classic raiding only requires like 15 competent people in a group of 40 to be able to kill almost anything pre-AQ. So, bringing an Enhancement shaman isn't going to be the deciding factor between a kill or not.
It's not about being able to clear a raid. It's about the time required to clear a raid. Bringing meme specs will definitely make the difference between clearing a raid in a night or in an hour. It's not even because meme specs do worse DPS. It's because the people who are best at playing the game like to min-max, and why would you min-max your character, spend tons of gold on consumables, enchants and being the correct spec, when there's this one guy who needs to play a spec that's just plain bad. Having meme specs in the guild makes the good people quit. Like I said. You can raid as enhancement but expect to raid in a bad guild, surrounded by bad people who tolerate meme specs because they themselves can't be bothered to push their DPS to the limit.
This is a pretty terrible mindset to have for Classic raiding.
Enhancement shamans may not be able to output the same amount of dps as a warrior, rogue, mage, etc, but they are able to help those other classes increase their dps with Windfury, Mana totem, or as the Nightfall wielder. Some specs (such as 2h fury slam spec), even require a Windfury totem in their group.
Classic raiding only requires like 15 competent people in a group of 40 to be able to kill almost anything pre-AQ. So, bringing an Enhancement shaman isn't going to be the deciding factor between a kill or not.
It's not about being able to clear a raid. It's about the time required to clear a raid. Bringing meme specs will definitely make the difference between clearing a raid in a night or in an hour. It's not even because meme specs do worse DPS. It's because the people who are best at playing the game like to min-max, and why would you min-max your character, spend tons of gold on consumables, enchants and being the correct spec, when there's this one guy who needs to play a spec that's just plain bad. Having meme specs in the guild makes the good people quit. Like I said. You can raid as enhancement but expect to raid in a bad guild, surrounded by bad people who tolerate meme specs because they themselves can't be bothered to push their DPS to the limit.
I completely disagree with pretty much everything you just said.
Having meme specs in the guild makes the good people quit.
So you really just mean that you'd quit a guild that had people playing sub-optimal specs? Then just say that instead of some blanket "people will quit" statement.
You can raid as enhancement but expect to raid in a bad guild, surrounded by bad people who tolerate meme specs because they themselves can't be bothered to push their DPS to the limit.
You make that statement is if that's actually some kind of truth. Being willing to play with sub-optimal specs doesn't make you less likely to try your best, it just means you understand that 40 people are coming to raid, and not all of them will be playing mage, warrior, or rogue.
This is a tough aspect of classic for me, and you all probably know that I'm more "classic+" than #nochanges so take this how you will.
I love that each class really has a niche in classic, I think it really makes you not only have pride in your class but really identify with them. The downside is that some specs that feel like they should be able to compete in certain scenarios just can't.
I'm just going to have to deal with the fact that enhance can't raid, and go melt people in pvp with my windfury crit procs.
I completely disagree with pretty much everything you just said.
So you really just mean that you'd quit a guild that had people playing sub-optimal specs? Then just say that instead of some blanket "people will quit" statement.
You make that statement is if that's actually some kind of truth. Being willing to play with sub-optimal specs doesn't make you less likely to try your best, it just means you understand that 40 people are coming to raid, and not all of them will be playing mage, warrior, or rogue.
You can disagree with the truth all you want to. It's the truth, plain and simple. If you don't understand that then you've never played in a guild with exceptional players.
I completely disagree with pretty much everything you just said.
So you really just mean that you'd quit a guild that had people playing sub-optimal specs? Then just say that instead of some blanket "people will quit" statement.
You make that statement is if that's actually some kind of truth. Being willing to play with sub-optimal specs doesn't make you less likely to try your best, it just means you understand that 40 people are coming to raid, and not all of them will be playing mage, warrior, or rogue.
You can disagree with the truth all you want to. It's the truth, plain and simple. If you don't understand that then you've never played in a guild with exceptional players.
Good luck with that mindset...
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I don't want to be in a guild where the Moonkin gets the same shot at getting Nef's Tear as the top DPS mage, and neither does the top DPS mage. Simple.
If it's an LC and the Moonkin isn't getting it, the top DPS will likely be there, but then again the Moonkin might not (probably won't) be there.
I don't want to be in a guild where the Moonkin gets the same shot at getting Nef's Tear as the top DPS mage, and neither does the top DPS mage. Simple.
If it's an LC and the Moonkin isn't getting it, the top DPS will likely be there, but then again the Moonkin might not (probably won't) be there.
If you are playing a sub-optimal spec you have to accept that you're most likely going to be low on the prio for most gear.
Thanks guys for all of your advices!
Im concerned that my spec isnt optimal at all, but I don't really care about it. I just want to enjoy the game playing as i want, maybe not raiding in the best guild of my server, but it isn't something that actually concerns me.
I have another question for you. What weapon is BiS with enhancement shaman in classic?
I mean, i've been looking out there and now i just see [Nightfall] as a viable option if i want to be an enh shaman that also supports my raid team.
https://classicdb.ch/?item=19169 (link of the item)
Short answer, no. No guild worth it’s weight will let you raid as dps. At best they will let you raid as a healer whilst keeping your enhancement build. For a guild that’s not even cleared MC out, this is generous.
Of course in the beginning you might get to raid as dps, thanks to the number of players who didn’t actually raid in vanilla and know most of it only from watching pserver videos. If you do, thank your lucky stars and push extra hard to be the best, since any heal dps spec basically has to always be on their A+ game if you hope to out-dps a rogue/mage that’s semi-afk. If you don’t then you might be refused a spot once people realise what wow is all about.
I’m sorry, but raiding is a team effort and vanilla pulled no punches. If you want to play your way and straight up refuse to heal, curve your expectations on raiding and aim for BG exalted rep epics.
Thanks guys for all of your advices!
Im concerned that my spec isnt optimal at all, but I don't really care about it. I just want to enjoy the game playing as i want, maybe not raiding in the best guild of my server, but it isn't something that actually concerns me.
I have another question for you. What weapon is BiS with enhancement shaman in classic?
I mean, i've been looking out there and now i just see [Nightfall] as a viable option if i want to be an enh shaman that also supports my raid team.
https://classicdb.ch/?item=19169 (link of the item)
If you are dedicated to going to Enh shaman route, I would absolutely recommend trying your hardest to obtain Nightfall at the beginning!
Outside of that, items such as Sulfuras: https://classicdb.ch/?item=17182 , which would be a great weapon to have, are pretty unrealistic to expect to have as an Enh shaman.
Good luck with that mindset...
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In time you will find that most of the good DPS players share "that" mindset with me ;) enjoy raiding with your meme specced brothers, surrounded by mediocrity.
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@OP, there's some theorycrafting being one on Enhancement Shamans working with Spelldamage instead Physical damage, it seems to be quite promising. You'll probably find this channel interesting: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQx0jujFmUV5eq4qx6YL
Personally I would get Nightfall ASAP and try to get Sulfuras to replace it. It'll be hard but if they let you raid as Enhancement you should really get it because you'll be (should be.........) the only person in the raid using 2H weapons, so you're technically the only one having it as mainspec. Nightfall can be done better than Enh by Hunters and offtanks anyway (higher uptime with Wingclip/Hamstring spam).
@OP, there's some theorycrafting being one on Enhancement Shamans working with Spelldamage instead Physical damage, it seems to be quite promising. You'll probably find this channel interesting: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQx0jujFmUV5eq4qx6YL
Iirc there were some people who said beta servers didn’t follow this rule and it was actually a pserver feature. It will have to be confirmed once we go live.