Yes, but those streamers pull like 2k viewers.
Just checked, Staysafe has 7k viewers - last night Esfand had 12k viewers.
PvP content, PvE content farming, community events, alts, meme specs, challenges. There is plenty to keep them playing and entertaining for a long while. Short attention span zoomers can go back to retail.
Yes I know. While players like you were salivating over The Burning Crusade or Wrath of the Lich King, I was spending thousands of hours on WoW forums and private servers denouncing the expansions and explaining why Classic should be brought back. I've been doing this since 2006. Does that make me insane? Partially. I argued over the direction of Vanilla WoW before TBC was even released. I don't think Classic WoW is a perfect game. I think it is actually more casual than the expansions in many respects. It encourages socialization. However, I do think that some systems like PvP could be improved. Crossrealm battlegrounds will likely do more harm than good. A lot of the appeal there is nostalgia, especially considering AB/WSG/AV have been part of retail ever since. World PvP is the key, since the World is the heart of WoW. I got to test Vanilla WoW a year before it came out. All I did was play the game, argue on the beta forums, and offer feedback. Vanilla WoW was rooted in the design of games like Everquest and Dark Age of Camelot, as well as inspired by the communities that those games created. I saw what Blizzard did once they abandoned all of that. They made the The Burning Crusade, and the MMORPG genre has been cursed ever since.
Players like me were having reasonable discussions and playing on private. Discussions that are so reasonable that Blizzard decided to create Classic. Being the crazy guy on the subway screeching at the top of your lungs is no way to promote interest in something regardless if you were right or wrong. Your posts push far more away from your ideas than they do to help build the idea itself. Your approach is awful. Your ideas are poorly thought out. You do a lot more harm than you do good, whether you realize it or not.
My maniacal rantings across a multitude of forums created a lot of discussion. Blizzard was well aware to the point that I was banned from their forums over 20 times for criticizing the expansions. Classic WoW is the best MMORPG in the last 15 years. I've tried a bunch, and they don't even compared to Classic WoW. The developers of these MMORPGs don't even seem to understand why Classic WoW was so good. I am not even sure if Blizzard even does. With that being said, the content will run out. The playerbase will decline, but all can be saved with Classic+ content. Adding better World PvP should be a priority. I am sure your chit chat on the Nostalrius forums were widely read.
My maniacal rantings across a multitude of forums created a lot of discussion.
But how much of that was quality? And how many of your suggestions were reasonable or logical? Almost none.
Blizzard was well aware to the point that I was banned from their forums over 20 times for criticizing the expansions.
I cant imagine why. You seem like such a level headed and coherent individual. /s
Classic WoW is the best MMORPG in the last 15 years. I've tried a bunch, and they don't even compared to Classic WoW. The developers of these MMORPGs don't even seem to understand why Classic WoW was so good. I am not even sure if Blizzard even does. With that being said, the content will run out. The playerbase will decline, but all can be saved with Classic+ content. Adding better World PvP should be a priority. I am sure your chit chat on the Nostalrius forums were widely read.
No one understands but you! You will be the savior of MMO's. We need boat battles, and airdrops and we need a housing system! We need to build ALL PVP OUTDOOR content!!!! Because if the focal point of WoW was PvP THAT WOULD BE GRAND! (that certainly isnt when the game went to shit or anything... /s). Not sure what to tell you. You dont really seem to retain any criticism. You take it well, but its almost as if it rolls off of you to a fault. You dont actually challenge your own ideas or change them when others do. You just rant in an endless loop about the same poorly thought out ideas. My grandmother has dementia and its the same. I love her a lot but it can be pretty exhausting after a few hours. I'm sure its not easy for her though and I am sure its not easy for you. A prisoner in your own mind.
A prisoner in your own mind.
Let's look at the some of the popular streamers playing Classic WoW. A lot of them have already cleared MC + Onyxia. Content like battlegrounds isn't likely to hold their interest. Sure, there is a lot to do for casuals, but what about hardcore or even competitive players?
Blizzard added Arena, Heroics, and harder Raids in TBC for a reason. However, I don't think this type of content would be as popular nowadays. Just look at BFA. So if you are Blizzard, and you want to retain some of these streamers, what would you change about Classic?
I am suggesting that a new PvP system might be the solution. One that is not instanced like Arena. What else could be the solution?
Daily Quests - At their conception during The Burning Crusade, daily quests felt like a fun, totally optional way to earn additional gold and rewards. I do not feel that they were the chore-like slog that they eventually evolved in to.
You've obviously never done the grind to exalted with Netherwing or Ogri'la. God, what a nightmare.
My maniacal rantings across a multitude of forums created a lot of discussion. Blizzard was well aware to the point that I was banned from their forums over 20 times for criticizing the expansions.
You bought the game 20 times just to keep posting on the forums? Holy shit. Well, I can now sleep comfortably knowing that I'm not the craziest person on this forum.
Daily Quests - At their conception during The Burning Crusade, daily quests felt like a fun, totally optional way to earn additional gold and rewards. I do not feel that they were the chore-like slog that they eventually evolved in to.
You've obviously never done the grind to exalted with Netherwing or Ogri'la. God, what a nightmare.
My maniacal rantings across a multitude of forums created a lot of discussion. Blizzard was well aware to the point that I was banned from their forums over 20 times for criticizing the expansions.
You bought the game 20 times just to keep posting on the forums? Holy shit. Well, I can now sleep comfortably knowing that I'm not the craziest person on this forum.
I did the Nethering grind after TBC. The one with the eggs. It was pretty brutal. I can just imagine how it was in TBC.
I didn't buy WoW copies. I bought Diablo 2 battlechests usually to get access to the forums.
I didn't buy WoW copies. I bought Diablo 2 battlechests usually to get access to the forums.
Holy shit...
There is a bunch of personal prefences here, I'd honestly love TBC and by far the most beloved PvP expansion by all my friends around.
Saying how something is uncreative and imbalanced without a solution/suggestion is what we famuously call: QQing. Sorry.
Yup I'll support TBC because I love arenas. I'm well aware of all the other flaws with it, but that's why I think it should be on separate servers where you can import your classic characters.
That said, I hope they leave classic servers alone for at least 3+ years before they release TBC, since as people have stated throughout the multiple threads, the original TBC came way too fast.
I want them to remember how flying mounts killed off World PvP and shrunk the 7 zone continent to an even smaller size.
I want them to remember how much better Horde was than Alliance.
I want them to remember how awful Shattrah was as a capital city.
World PvP was never considered the true representation of one's "skill". Not many people were invested in Wpvp because of the imbalance in gear, experience, etc... between players. Arenas was the epitome of pvp with players on relatively similar playing field.
Why is Horde better than Alliance?
Shat was awful for me because of the massive lag. (its somewhat fixed on tbc pserver)
I want The Burning Crusade after Classic, so that rose-tinted glasses can shatter. It will only further solidfy the greatness of Classic WoW.
Sounds similar to certain rhetoric about Classic. Considering how many people like TBC (and how generally, the game continued growing after it released), we would have to wait and see about that.
Half your points are opinions that could be refuted because of their content (Nagrand is a nice zone for example, some people liked Shattrath) and their premise (everyone being 'stuck' in Outland, as if new players were instantly ported to level 60, as if all of Azeroth 'disappeared' and didnt make up a significant portion of the game still).
Ignoring all of that, you could make an incredibly similar post about the flaws of Vanilla and how 'nostalgia is all that drives the want for it'. The fact that you can even make this argument without noticing the evident hypocrisy is astounding.
I don’t disagree with a lot of your points.
However, I did enjoy TBC.
The real question is, how are Blizzard going to maintain subscribers.
I want The Burning Crusade after Classic, so that rose-tinted glasses can shatter. It will only further solidfy the greatness of Classic WoW.
Sounds similar to certain rhetoric about Classic. Considering how many people like TBC (and how generally, the game continued growing after it released), we would have to wait and see about that.
Half your points are opinions that could be refuted because of their content (Nagrand is a nice zone for example, some people liked Shattrath) and their premise (everyone being 'stuck' in Outland, as if new players were instantly ported to level 60, as if all of Azeroth 'disappeared' and didnt make up a significant portion of the game still).
Ignoring all of that, you could make an incredibly similar post about the flaws of Vanilla and how 'nostalgia is all that drives the want for it'. The fact that you can even make this argument without noticing the evident hypocrisy is astounding.
Nagrand is a nice zone, but it was in Warlords of Draenor again. I am making the argument that TBC caters to a much smaller audience than Vanilla. Which is why Blizzard should't even bother. TBC shares a lot in common with retail. Classic does not. That is why the demand for Classic was so great. Players can already do heroic modes, flying mounts, arena, daily quests, badge gea, hang out in a small continent etc... on Retail.
I didn't buy WoW copies. I bought Diablo 2 battlechests usually to get access to the forums.
That makes no sense. You can't post on the blizzard WoW forums without an active WoW subscription.
TBC shares a lot in common with retail. Classic does not.
Hahahaha no. Sooooo wrong. If all of WoW history were to be divided into two major periods, "stuff more similar to classic than to BfA" versus "stuff more similar to BfA than to classic", then the dividing line is very obviously between MoP and Warlords. It was that first stat squish, the use of a bronze dragon to flip between pre-WoD and post-WoD versions of the Blasted Lands, the gating of the new continent behind a single-player scenario, and the sudden and total irrelevance of professions and all level 1-90 content that marks the point when all the bad ideas that had been building up over the years fully metastasized all at once.
BC was just Classic with a bunch of stuff added.