Lne It seems you are beyond being reasonable and are more invested in winning a battle that never existed, than understanding what all of us were trying to explain to you. I began typing a very long post to rebut your points, as you are a little out of touch, but I feel as though its best to remove myself from the conversation because I don't see this ending constructively and I honestly have nothing of value to help move the conversation forward because our perspectives seem to be too different. What started with a solid base of common-ground seems to have deteriorated very quickly... Best of of luck with your social guild, I hope you can find some social hardcore players to socially hardcore the game with! While I jest at your expense, I genuinely do hope you can find people to play with.
For players looking for actual tips on how to succeed in a hardcore guild that is prioritizing throughput and optimization, dont expect a social experience and ensure that you are prioritizing throughput and optimization. These are the things that will matter to hardcore players.
Stfuppercut Yeah, I agree our perspectives are too different.
You want to ignore the actual definitions of the words and stick with your own take on it. That's ok, strange, but ok.
Thank you for the well-wishes; to the extent they were genuine you can rest easy knowing that I have incredibly talented people on my roster from all over the world and we are already polishing raiding and our infrastructure. At this point, we are more interested in seeing which players actually can actually meet our standards on a long term basis than we are at finding players (interviews and etc are great, but talk is cheap and I value results and effort).
I too wish you all the best in-game and IRL. I additionally hope that your experiences in your hardcore guild aren't too tainted by players that ignore the principles behind my advice.
And since you insist on having the last word that takes away from what I have said here, I'll just repeat what another poster said to reflect the values much of my advice targeted which was that hardcore players must remember not to be a dick.
There are a million sources on the meta, the strategies, and classes, but none of them will turn an asshole without social skills into a team player.
BLUF: most "social guilds" are filled with requests for carrie's vs people putting in the legwork and forming a group. After the 9th "c'mon, doesn't anyone want to do X,Y,Z for/with me, I have this quest..."
Whereas my hardcore vanilla guild was "I'm going to run UBRS, anyone need to come for gear? We have X,Y,Z filled."
The prime difference is taking charge with a goal of benefitting others WHILE doing something a person wants to do VS the incessant begging for someone to carry or form the group themselves to accomplish the same means. (Somewhat)
THAT, in and of myself wraps up my take on the social vs hardcore guild makeup. The first iteration would be tolerated a couple of times, even entertained and participated in if someone sacked up to form a group for that person. But if it happened to much, that person displayed a pattern of helplessness and was replaced with an eager applicant that displayed a desire to lead groups in their application and interview.
The toxicity is just a byproduct of focused and driven individuals in life. In any profession, hobby, or endeavor; not relegated to WoW in and of itself.
For all intents and purposes, your argument has been unfounded and a senseless attempt to fight the entire forum to no end. I award you no points, may Thrall have mercy on your soul.