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(@faendor)
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If you were down to levelling both to 60 then you could funnel gold from your mage to warrior. Mage is very good at farming and I think it would save you lot of time in the long run. Just something to consider.

Also if you are aiming for raiding as well as pvp, mage might be a lot of fun in the pvp aspect as the gameplay is much more engaging then in raiding.

 
Posted : 05/07/2019 11:44 pm
(@stfuppercut)
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If you have to ask if you should play a warrior, you probably shouldnt. It is a special kind of pain.

 
Posted : 06/07/2019 12:36 am
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He doesn't know yet whether he would enjoy the pain or not :D

 
Posted : 06/07/2019 12:54 am
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Make a Mage and slowly level up the Warrior afterwards. I doubt that you will stick only to 1 character anyway.

 
Posted : 06/07/2019 1:20 am
(@rinkusan)
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Heya NinjaBomb,

from reading the thread, I gather that you really want to play a warrior, but are skeptical it might come at a high cost or discourage you along the way.

Since you pretty much know the pros and cons, I'll address only this: time to level up & whether that is a bad thing.

  • Being a newbie to Classic, but not to WoW overall, as you said yourself, leveling said warrior to 60 will probably take you somewhere between 7 and 9 days of /played time, depending on your play-style. On your 3h/day budget, that's somewhere between 8 and 10 weeks.

  • Rolling a mage with the same constants will likely result in 6 to 8 days /played, the result being around 7 to 9 weeks.

  • These numbers are assuming you are neither using a guide, nor running around aimlessly.
  • Personally, a week or two of difference don't feel like much when it will probably take you around 2 months anyway. I'd probably be more likely to quit a class that I chose for efficiency than one that I chose for preference.

    Also please consider this, my plea to all newbies coming to Classic:
    If you have never played Classic WoW before, let me tell you that leveling time can be quality time, even as a warrior. The long journey to level cap is when you meet other players out in the open, have adventures together, /f add, get ganked and abandoned, /f remove, get revenge together, join a guild, have epic fun in dungeons, suffer ninja looters, /ignore, get to know each other as you wait for a quest/rare mob respawns, ponder over life in Azeroth as you escort Tooga across Tanaris, maybe you come across a group of people helping a hunter tame a rare pet, maybe you stand and cheer with a crowd watching duels in Gadgetzan, maybe you want to start fishing a little because you saw someone leveling transformed by Savory Deviate Delight; the world is your oyster and you have all the time in the world. At least that is the experience I would want to have, if I played again for the very first time.

     
    Posted : 06/07/2019 2:08 am
     Erik
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    If you go after the pros and cons list you made, Mage obviously comes out at the top.

    It's personal preference, we can't make the decision for you.

     
    Posted : 06/07/2019 3:24 am
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    Warriors aren't as bad at levelling as people make them out to be. Personally I think Warriors are better levellers than Rogues, Shaman and Paladins because of Sweeping Strikes, Whirlwind and Cleave. Can't compare to the ease of levelling a Mage though.

    Warriors endgame aren't meant to be solo. Warriors are really squishy. Sure Warriors have Plate but they also have terrible mobility. Once you get in combat you'll find it difficult to get out of combat, it'll basically be a damage race to see who can kill who the fastest. Compare that to the toolkit of Mages. Mages are definitely the hardest to kill of all DPS classes in PvP (Warlocks are tankier but also have no mobility so it's not that hard to kill them if they get out of position). Ice Barrier, Mana Shield, Ice Block, Blink, Polymorph, some slows and Frost Nova. Skilled mages are extremely hard to kill and I think you really underestimate the survivability of Mages.

     
    Posted : 06/07/2019 4:36 am
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    Warriors aren't as bad at levelling as people make them out to be. Personally I think Warriors are better levellers than Rogues, Shaman and Paladins because of Sweeping Strikes, Whirlwind and Cleave. Can't compare to the ease of levelling a Mage though.

    Warriors are the worst class to level. For many many many reasons. But lets directly compare a rogue and a warrior. The rogue and warrior have similar kill capacity and downtime. So why is warrior worse? Warrior has major cooldowns, cooldowns that can still fail to keep it alive in a pinch. The rogue? The rogue has TONS of minor cooldowns, each have a way to stall a fight, to avoid a fight or to simply reset the fight. The rogue also has stealth. Stealth allows the rogue to avoid a lot of mobs and work around mobs to an objective, saving valuable minutes while leveling. In PvP, the rogue performs FAR better in low level PvP than a warrior does and requires less gear to be lethal. The rogue can also rez and stealth to avoid being camped by players.

    In most circumstances where a warrior will need to flee, he must hamstring/piercing howl the mob/mobs and try to reset the fight. This is their escape plan. In most PvP engagements, they will lose against equally skilled players. Rogue has stealth, he can choose his PvP encounters. In PvE he has gouge, sprint, blind, sap, kidney+run, vanish, crip posion - SO many options to prevent death.

    I always think its funny when people try to downplay the difficulty of leveling a warrior... No one here is saying that leveling a warrior is equivalent to darksouls, but it is unarguably the worst class to level. In contrast to every other class in WoW, warrior is the worst, to say otherwise is a bit silly.

     
    Posted : 06/07/2019 1:00 pm
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    Warriors are the worst class to level. ...
    I always think its funny when people try to downplay the difficulty of leveling a warrior... No one here is saying that leveling a warrior is equivalent to darksouls, but it is unarguably the worst class to level. In contrast to every other class in WoW, warrior is the worst, to say otherwise is a bit silly.

    I've levelled 3 Rogues 1-60 and 2 Warriors (on 1x realms obviously). My /played record with Rogue is 5 days 23 hours, my /played record with Warrior is 5 days 9 hours.
    The reason is simple, Warriors have a way better kill speed if you take Sweeping Strikes @ 30 and know how to manage rage. As a Rogue you're stuck damaging 1 mob at a time whenever Blade Furry is on cooldown. As a Warrior you can kill 2 mobs at the same time every second pull. And the best thing is when you're killing those 2 mobs you're killing them faster than you would kill 1 mob because you get more rage (from 2 mobs hitting you) and more damage (from Sweeping Strikes + Cleave/Whirlwind additional hits).
    Problem is people try to go and quest with a Warrior. Warriors suck at questing. Ditch questing @ level 30 (Sweeping Strikes). Just find a place with melee mobs with low armor, preferably with decent mob density that allow for easy 2 mob pulls, and grind your way to 60.

     
    Posted : 06/07/2019 2:26 pm
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    Pick mage, go frost, and watch other warriors succumb to your frigid snares and gloat!

     
    Posted : 06/07/2019 2:29 pm
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    At least that is the experience I would want to have, if I played again for the very first time.

    I agree. Im totally searching for that mmorpg feeling. Like I said before I would like to learn the game and be good at it, because right now it seems like the best option at MMORPG, and its my favorite game genre. I cant stand fortnite, lol, tft... WoW is my main focus, and to fulfill that, I need to roll the perfect class for me. Its the only missing piece right now. I guess Im gonna search for gameplay videos of Tank Warrior, DPS Warriors and Mages... it might help to see more of the practical side of it..
    What I also find really interesting, is that most people say that good Tanks become "wanted" and its easier to make friends.
    Plus, I also found out that one of my friends is going to play Rogue. Idk if that helps out too.

    edit: grammar

     
    Posted : 06/07/2019 5:12 pm
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    Warriors are the worst class to level. ...
    I always think its funny when people try to downplay the difficulty of leveling a warrior... No one here is saying that leveling a warrior is equivalent to darksouls, but it is unarguably the worst class to level. In contrast to every other class in WoW, warrior is the worst, to say otherwise is a bit silly.

    I've levelled 3 Rogues 1-60 and 2 Warriors (on 1x realms obviously). My /played record with Rogue is 5 days 23 hours, my /played record with Warrior is 5 days 9 hours.
    The reason is simple, Warriors have a way better kill speed if you take Sweeping Strikes @ 30 and know how to manage rage. As a Rogue you're stuck damaging 1 mob at a time whenever Blade Furry is on cooldown. As a Warrior you can kill 2 mobs at the same time every second pull. And the best thing is when you're killing those 2 mobs you're killing them faster than you would kill 1 mob because you get more rage (from 2 mobs hitting you) and more damage (from Sweeping Strikes + Cleave/Whirlwind additional hits).
    Problem is people try to go and quest with a Warrior. Warriors suck at questing. Ditch questing @ level 30 (Sweeping Strikes). Just find a place with melee mobs with low armor, preferably with decent mob density that allow for easy 2 mob pulls, and grind your way to 60.

    Thats fair. This is anecdotal though. Warriors are far slower for the average user. And for someone inexperienced, they will die FAR more often. As I said before, the kill capacity is similar for both classes. Warriors are much the same/ a bit slower until they get sweeping strikes (level 30). Even then they are far more susceptible to dying in PvE and PvP. The class itself takes a lot more experience to use.

     
    Posted : 06/07/2019 6:00 pm
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    Which Races are BIS for Warrior Tanks? (for both Horde and Alliance)

     
    Posted : 06/07/2019 10:59 pm
     Tec
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    Which Races are BIS for Warrior Tanks? (for both Horde and Alliance)

    Alliance:
    Human since they have https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=20597/sword-specialization . Swords end up being some of, if not the best tanking weapons you can use throughout vanilla.
    Weapon skill is just too good.

    Horde:
    I would say Orc, simply due to https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=20574/axe-specialization and https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=20572/blood-fury but unlike the https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=20597/sword-specialization axes are never BIS for tanking I believe which also leaves you with Troll as a viable option due to https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=26296/berserking which gives you an ability to gain mass amounts of threat pretty fast.
    A lot of people also like Tauren for their increased health pool.

     
    Posted : 06/07/2019 11:23 pm
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    At least that is the experience I would want to have, if I played again for the very first time.

    I agree. Im totally searching for that mmorpg feeling. Like I said before I would like to learn the game and be good at it, because right now it seems like the best option at MMORPG, and its my favorite game genre. I cant stand fortnite, lol, tft... WoW is my main focus, and to fulfill that, I need to roll the perfect class for me. Its the only missing piece right now. I guess Im gonna search for gameplay videos of Tank Warrior, DPS Warriors and Mages... it might help to see more of the practical side of it..
    What I also find really interesting, is that most people say that good Tanks become "wanted" and its easier to make friends.
    Plus, I also found out that one of my friends is going to play Rogue. Idk if that helps out too.

    edit: grammar

    What you could also do is get a client and just play a couple of hours on a private server. There are instant 60 servers, servers with authentic leveling experiences (though not 100% Classic) or servers with increased experience gain rates. :)

     
    Posted : 07/07/2019 12:40 am
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