Most people want to play on the big servers because of the healthy auction house, more guilds and people to play with together, faster instances and other bits that makes bigger realms better...
I prefer a realm that doesn't have queues and has a 10% max difference in faction sizes. I hate when horde is 30% more than alliance. Breaks the world PvP.
Imagine thinking the game would have been playable without layering. Without layering, we'd all still be level 25 at this point. It'll be fun when it's removed though.
Huh? There were plenty of other options... ... .... .............. Havent you been following any of the discussions about layering?
Personally, I think layering was a very good option. The population has died down enough, and people have gone deep enough into progressing their main characters, to soon safely remove layering before phase 2. Sure, one may cry left and right about Blizzard's s choices. But while you do so, I'll just cherish the fact that they gave us the game we wanted, and have some fun playing it.
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Layering enabled megaservers with tens of thousands of players. In a world without layering, and without any other population phasing technology of some sort, there would be no megaservers in classic.
Good. I love it. I love the megaservers. I want precisely that.
Besides -- and know you in specific might not be making this argument, Pippina -- these megaservers don't disconnect the feeling of a tightly-knit community. I recognize players from low levels. I recognize enemies. I have my notepad with KoS list, and I have gotten revenge plenty of times. I know all the guilds.
Megaservers and layering was good for vanilla WoW, at least that's what I think.
Here we go again :smile:
Layering exists, but it wont forever. It's not going to change for an alternate system, it will be removed. Accept it, or exploit it, and move on.
Here we go again :smile:
Layering exists, but it wont forever. It's not going to change for an alternate system, it will be removed. Accept it, or exploit it, and move on.
Thats nice, now back to the conversation - OP feels like layering "kills the feel", and I couldnt agree more! Why do people try to snuff out conversations that they dont want to participate in... You like layering Selexin, thats great, a lot of us dont; we're having a discussion about that. I just feel like its such a childish response to a thread that has some good discussion. We talked about layering prelaunch. I outlined many of the issues we're seeing. You argued until you were blue in the face and disagreed with my prediction that layering would be easy to abuse and very profitable, you were incorrect. We can both agree that layering exists and will continue to exist until it is removed, I believe I stated that immediately after it was announced. Just because layering exists doesnt mean we cant criticize it or talk about how its ruining our experience though.
Its okay for us to like different things... Its okay that youre casual... Its okay that you dont understand how layering is impacting your experience or are intentionally turning a blind eye to its impacts. Ignorance is bliss and I wish I was as uninformed about layering as you are. Believe me, I genuinely do.
It really sucks that I heard what layering was and predicted exactly what it would become. It sucks that I was right. It sucks that I abused it a ton to gain an equal playing field. It sucks that phase 1 is worse than it would have been.
Here we go again :smile:
Layering exists, but it wont forever. It's not going to change for an alternate system, it will be removed. Accept it, or exploit it, and move on.
Thats nice, now back to the conversation - OP feels like layering "kills the feel", and I couldnt agree more! Why do people try to snuff out conversations that they dont want to participate in... You like layering @Selexin, thats great, a lot of us dont; we're having a discussion about that. I just feel like its such a childish response to a thread that has some good discussion. We talked about layering prelaunch. I outlined many of the issues we're seeing. You argued until you were blue in the face and disagreed with my prediction that layering would be easy to abuse and very profitable, you were incorrect. We can both agree that layering exists and will continue to exist until it is removed, I believe I stated that immediately after it was announced. Just because layering exists doesnt mean we cant criticize it or talk about how its ruining our experience though.
Its okay for us to like different things... Its okay that youre casual... Its okay that you dont understand how layering is impacting your experience or are intentionally turning a blind eye to its impacts. Ignorance is bliss and I wish I was as uninformed about layering as you are. Believe me, I genuinely do.
It really sucks that I heard what layering was and predicted exactly what it would become. It sucks that I was right. It sucks that I abused it a ton to gain an equal playing field. It sucks that phase 1 is worse than it would have been.
Hahahaha, "It's okay that you're casual" pfahaha. Way to be "sneakily" arrogant and elitist. That's hilarious.
@stfuppercut Classic exists, it has its own meta. Layering exists, and it won't forever. We can of course continue to have this discussion, as we have for 5 months - but I do often like to point out the futility of complaining about it into a vacuum.
It's ok :smile: enjoy your layering, its the most profitable thing you'll ever experience! Exploit! Profit! enjoy! You are so proud of your exploitation, don't try to stop it early. You got 1100+ devilsaur leather, imagine if you had no layering!!
Hahahaha, "It's okay that you're casual" pfahaha. Way to be "sneakily" arrogant and elitist. That's hilarious.
You get used to it. conform with Stfuppercut or be deemed inferior and receive passive aggressive snide comments! :smile:
I dont have any problems with layering.
And it's also sad that private servers were able to more faithfully recreate the vanilla "experience".
To be fair, they had population bloat. PS's purposefully amped up and clustered the servers to allow for 4x,5x,6x the classic server population. Neither Private servers nor blizzard have faithfully recreated the real classic experience when it comes to server popoulation / population management. It just so happens that most players, even those no changes people, actually do want that "Full World" mmo feel and would rather have population caps raised rather than split the populations into layers based on orriginal caps.
Assuming blizzard is telling the truth on layering, the world feeling empty / dead will not change when layering is collapsed / removed. Nor would we be experiencing anything different if blizzard didnt impliment layering at all. Each layer is theoretically a full population cap on its own (We don't now layer caps or counts for sure, but this is what we are lead to believe / current leading theory). Once layering goes away, the pop cap for the single remaining layer (THE server) will not increase, and queues will just be implimented. This means that instead of 3x layers all being populated with ~5k players, 2/3 of which you cannot see. You now have 1 layer with ~5k players. Either way, population density will not change and will still be (about) an average representation of server progression equally distributed across all the zones. The only difference is that now, all those other players on the server will be stuck in a queue waiting to get in, or realm transfer away. (Assuming we actually understand how it is currently implimented and blizzards intentions with the layer collapse.) One thing that will change is that as the population as a whole moves towards higher levels, those zones will feel more populated, but the rest of the world will still feel as empty or emptier as it is currently.
Your private server experience (When it comes to population) != vanilla wow, and unless blizzard intentionally impliments a change from vanilla to allow for increased player count from vanilla, apart from the layer hopping crap, your empty world experience will not change much if at all.
I also wish they would have just raised population caps rather than impliment layering, but to say that PS's re-did vanilla wow better than blizzard is not true. They completely changed the way the game was played with increased population caps, dynamic mob and node spawns, etc. They just did it different than Blizzard, and since most of the PS's were made by wow enthusiests (At least orriginally), those enthusiests got to solve the same problems the way they thought best, rather than the way blizzard thought best.
I also agree that layering has played out its usefullness and has now tipped the scales to being more harmful than helpfull. One could argue it was nessecary for opening or not, but now it needs to go away. I havent heard of any arguments to keep if any longer.
I also agree that layering has played out its usefullness and has now tipped the scales to being more harmful than helpfull. One could argue it was nessecary for opening or not, but now it needs to go away. I havent heard of any arguments to keep if any longer.
Yeh I think that's right. I would be interested to know how many layers exist on some of the medium population servers. I wonder if they are approaching 1-2 layers? Maybe some low pop servers already have no layering? Would be good to get a solid Blizz post updating the state of layering.
It's ok :smile: enjoy your layering, its the most profitable thing you'll ever experience!
I mean... I have two raid teams and a bank full of raid mats... So the gold I earned from devilsaurs kind of falls in comparison... BUT it was a pretty unbelievable boost for 3-4 guys building a set per hour.
It's ok :smile: enjoy your layering, its the most profitable thing you'll ever experience!
I mean... I have two raid teams and a bank full of raid mats... So the gold I earned from devilsaurs kind of falls in comparison... BUT it was a pretty unbelievable boost for 3-4 guys building a set per hour.
Absolutely, and it probably helped you with funding some consumes or gear or whatever for your raid teams. Layering was insanely helpful for early 60s if abused in the 'right' way. I think everyone agrees that the game will be better once it is removed, it's only the amount it has impacted players that varies case by case. Huge impact on yourself (and others) mostly positive, negative impact on others (subjective economy blah blah) and minimal or indifferent impact on more casual or slower levelers.
Hopefully most of the tourists are moving on. Some guys I know who picked up classic for their first ever foray into WoW have dropped it, so it certainly seems to be settling down into longer term populations. Again, keen to see a state of layering update from Blizz, or an idea on whether it will be getting turned off progressively on lower pop or if they will just set a date for all servers.
Absolutely, and it probably helped you with funding some consumes or gear or whatever for your raid teams. Layering was insanely helpful for early 60s if abused in the 'right' way.
Absolutely. It completely shaped the server and the experience within the server. People who leveraged layering to gain an advantage will experience a ripple effect for the duration of Classic. Layering completely changed phase 1, totally reshaped what Classic is or could have been and directly or indirectly affects everyone on a server that had people abusing layering.