1 month + item wipe sounds good for the category of players using the exploit to get a gear advantage for their own characters.
But I wouldn't be sad about perma bans for the players who pushed the whole thing too far...bunkering mats, gold, AH spam and so on.
Would also like to see perma bans if people have stockpilled recipes and mats due to it..
This is the issue... This is a perspective based argument. What is malicious? At what point should you not violate layering? Is it okay to get an invite to find a rare spawn or an escort? What about to avoid a gank? How about to avoid being camped after the gank? Why not do it to farm some herbs...? How about making thousands of gold in dungeons... How about for a potential raid drop?
Yeah.. No, that's definitely not a perspective based argument. Blizzard has it's ToS and you are breaking them. Repeatedly abusing any system inside the game for your own good is malicious and is considered an exploit, and of course is a bannable offense. Nobody should abuse layering just because they can, doing it exposes you to being banned. Blizzard has always been vocal about this, players always had and will have the onus to abide by the ToS.
Yeah their moderation hasn't been on point and form my perspective they should address more seriously this issue; and of course you can keep abusing layering to your own good (screwing the rest of your server along the way), but if they finally take action and ban you, don't complain mate.
There is nomenclature for someone that expresses things like you are Stfuppercut, it's called ASPD, or colloquially, sociopaths. I believe your moral compass regarding your (frequent) opinions on layering is heavily distorted.
There is nomenclature for someone that expresses things like you are Stfuppercut , it's called ASPD, or colloquially, sociopaths. I believe your moral compass regarding your (frequent) opinions on layering is heavily distorted.
Diagnosing a personality disorder to a stranger in a forum is just the way to go mate.
This is good, but should have been permanently banned.
IMO these type of people are the same like cheaters. Pathetic.
Yeah, making assumptions about someones state of mind is clearly too much. Its only natural to be biased towards yourself, we all do this.
It's just a wizardz and goblinz fighting game. If you mess about with layering fair play. If you get rekt later when Blizz swing the bat fair play. If you get away with it fair play. It's just a game to be gamed and won and lost. Exploits are not war crimes, no need to turn it into an idealogical battleground.
I think I might abuse it at least once for fun if I knew about it but I dont think I would continue on doing so. I understand why some people would, as it became an inherent system of the game and if lot of people are abusing it and you are not, you are at sort of a disadvantage, at least in someones mind. On the other hand I am glad that the people that abused it got punished hard, they got what they deserved.
It's just a wizardz and goblinz fighting game. If you mess about with layering fair play. If you get rekt later when Blizz swing the bat fair play. If you get away with it fair play. It's just a game to be gamed and won and lost. Exploits are not war crimes, no need to turn it into an idealogical battleground.
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I thought it was a relatively interesting thread. I don't think it should be case closed with a simple "play the game" post. Especially when things like this impact the game itself, the players & the community. Blanket 1 month bans, item removals and peoples opinions on the fallout is probably one of the more interesting and impactful threads on this site post launch.
While I agree with the general notion to be less vigilante about it, I think the "its just a game, y u heff to be mad" approach heavily downplays the time and emotional investment many people have in this game. Seeing others cheat in such a fashion can be a huge slap in the face.
I think it should have been a permanent ban, they knew what they were doing.
Its against the rules and messes with the integrity of the game.
Isn't fair to the people who play for fun and enjoy the game as it is!
Don't abuse the system!
Its like baseball and PEDs.
Your not suppose to take it/use it to gain an edge.
They know its wrong and think everyone is doing it so why not them...don't want to be left behind...want to be at my best
But when they get caught they get suspended and they deserve it...
I dont get the "they knew it was wrong, therefore every punishment is fair game" logic"
I dont get the "they knew it was wrong, therefore every punishment is fair game" logic"
So jumping layers to reset Ragnaros to kill him again and again even though it was meant to have a week reset....isnt abusing the system?
They didnt know what they were doing? They clearly did, you dont stumble upon that...same with farming nodes...its there intent to get an edge
Why shouldn't they be punished?
I never said they shouldnt be punished, I said the fact they did something wrong consciously doesnt legitimize every punishment.