are we all circle jerking around a couple of unproven screenshots from Reddit?
Basically, yes.
I lead a guild with 400 members. 2 raid teams. And am close to quite a few other GM's on my server. Thus far, between all of the guilds I have spoken with collectively, I have heard of one guy being banned thus far in Classic, for purchasing gold. He was in my guild. No one that I have heard of has been banned for layering abuse.
I know MANY people who abused layering (40+ people - to varying degrees), specifically in dungeons, and none of them have received any punishment.
I know MANY people who abused layering (40+ people - to varying degrees), specifically in dungeons, and none of them have received any punishment.
They will take action ASAP, a few bans have been handed out already as you can see in the screenshot below.
They also have an official response about "taking appropriate punitive measures" against the abusers, so you can rest assured that everyone will get their fair share of justice.
Official response:
Good riddance.
I assume they will take action to some extent at least, it plays against them not punishing those who abused the system; and we know they clearly know who abused. Maybe it will take more time or they will simply take action against those explicitly broke or tried to broke the server balance. Time will tell
I am pretty sure once the majority of bans are rolling out we will notice it by QQ posts popping up.
I'm rather curious if only those that were open about it are banned or if they have the tools to find and ban every single person that exploited it. And they better be damn sure, since false negatives are not what they want.
I doubt anyone who is banned (or at least not a lot of people) is gonna be much open about it. Do they have the tools? Of course, they have been logging every little action a user does since before TBC, since 2007 they fingerprint the screenshots and I'm pretty sure (wild guess) they keep logs of voice conversations.
Every action Blizz takes is based on logs
since 2007 they fingerprint the screenshots
Are you referring to the old steganography hoax? As someone who works in signal-processing, I can say with a fairly high degree of confidence that those claims were mathematically impossible.
Are you referring to the old steganography hoax? As someone who works in signal-processing, I can say with a fairly high degree of confidence that those claims were mathematically impossible.
Yes and then I will shut my mouth. Thanks for the correction!
So do we know for sure anybody has actually been banned for this? I mean I see people talking about 'people getting banned for a month!' and 'I heard somebody got a year!' and I've seen this repeated all over the place making it seem like many people have been banned. But every time I try to find out the source, they all go back to the same couple of questionable screenshots that I saw on Reddit, and neither of them seemed to be proven or even definitively tied back to abusing layers in dungeons and raids. I mean I see it all the time in guild chat, I see it in world chat, I see it on forums... People are getting banned for a month! And some are getting banned for a year! But it all leads back to the same two screenshots I saw on Reddit.
Has anybody really even been banned or are we all circle jerking around a couple of unproven screenshots from Reddit?
They will take action ASAP, a few bans have been handed out already as you can see in the screenshot below.
I mean this is exactly what I was talking about. Lo and behold, the same screenshot from reddit. 50 copies of the same vague screenshot of an email doesn't equate to 50 pieces of evidence.
I know a lot of people who abused layering in instances, and nobody has been banned. And I haven't even heard of somebody who knows somebody getting banned, or somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody who has been banned. I haven't heard of a single person on my entire server getting banned for this. All we have is a vague screenshot from reddit, which for all I know was faked or doctored or unrelated.
I don't think anybody has been banned for this. I don't think anybody lost items for this. I think Blizzard patched it out, said 'don't do this', and then the community assumed bans were going out. A single unsubstantiated screenshot of an email later, everybody thinks people are getting banned left and right for abuse. I don't think there is a single credible report of a single person getting banned for abusing layering yet. If people were really getting banned, we'd be hearing from them by now. Somebody would have spoken out. But so far- nothing. We should have seen substantiated reports from people who got put away by now if bans were actually happening.
I don't think anybody has been banned for this. I don't think anybody lost items for this. I think Blizzard patched it out, said 'don't do this', and then the community assumed bans were going out.
The community wants to feel that justice has been served. It hasnt. If you havent abused layering, you are at a disadvantage overall.
We should have seen substantiated reports from people who got put away by now if bans were actually happening.
Pretty much. This isnt some niche thing that a small group of guys were doing... This was common place for the early 60's.
If you havent abused layering, you are at a disadvantage overall.
What can I do to regain my advantage! I feel so dis-empowered, should I stop playing?! Hahahaha.
Yes, if you are trying to be in the top echelon of your server and you haven't abused layering, you are going to be at a disadvantage. Otherwise, carry on playing and enjoying the game, this layering bullshit can take a back seat to your enjoyment.
What can I do to regain my advantage! I feel so dis-empowered, should I stop playing?! Hahahaha.
No... that sounds a bit extreme. Just play and be casual silly!
Yes, if you are trying to be in the top echelon of your server and you haven't abused layering, you are going to be at a disadvantage. Otherwise, carry on playing and enjoying the game, this layering bullshit can take a back seat to your enjoyment.
Sure. But that goes without saying. For the rest of us, we're going to talk about layering in the thread about layering.
"I dont care about layering im casual and it doesnt bother me anyway!!! WHO CARES?!?!"
Cool. We care.
Stfuppercut you ok bro? We're still talking about layering. Your view on the game and the necessity of layer abuse just seems very pessimistic and a generally negative way to approach a game we've been waiting 13 years for.
You're so caught up in layer abuse that it's the focus point of all your posts (not just layering threads). Layering effects every part of your game experience, because that's exactly what you want. You yearn for layering and the abuse. It's what drives you to post here, it's what makes you.... You. Despite all of your posts pre and post launch going against layering, your the first person to abuse and ultimately enjoy the result of it. You don't want layering gone, because you are willing to abuse it to gain your advantage. Layering is the best thing that's ever happened to you. Ironic really.
Edit: You love layering abuse, I love dramatic posts - it's how we keep ourselves entertained on the forums. Everyone has their kink right?