The cycle repeats and the meta evolves, the top players continue to raise the bar, and that raises the expectations of the mediocre players who eventually rise to the occasion.
I think that was what I was getting at, I was probably somewhat min/max turbonerd equivalent in Vanilla, but I stopped there and intend to play to a similar level that I did in vanilla (geez I feel like an old bastard now). I guess what I was saying was what you were getting at, the bar has changed, so what was considered a turbonerd, is now the 'norm'. I don't think I have the energy to commit to raising my own playing bar to match the new level of elite, which is my own choice/failing. Wait, I've turned into Principal Skinner!
I like all the rogues trying to pretend this is intended/valid balance change/always existed/effects everyone equally/etc etc.
It's not, and if you have to try and push for something like this, you have to ask if classic wow is really the game for you, instead of something a bit more hand-holdy.
Like retail.
Addons like SuperMacro let you make this in the 1.12 client (pservers), so it's a good idea to have the @mouseover functionality of the new client out of the box.
I can tell you guys that a mouseover macro affects everyone quite fairly. Sure a Rogue/Feral has the ability to generate CP on a non-autoattacking mob which some people would consider "strong" but it's not all that useful in the greater scheme of things, perhaps helping most with their leveling.
Mouseovers existed prior due to scripting and addons but worked slightly different, with the new API you can't have everything 100% as they were but they try to mimic the best they can. Dropping CP on untarget is pserv bs so
Raven is quite right! I just researched the topic a bit after watching the video he provided, it seems that combo points were only removed prior to patch 1.4 Patch 1.4.0 (2005-05-05): Combo points will no longer be removed if the target is deselected. and as we all know we are working with 1.12 in Classic, so this should be all good. I am really happy to have /focus and mouseover options.
I like all the rogues trying to pretend this is intended/valid balance change/always existed/effects everyone equally/etc etc.
It's not, and if you have to try and push for something like this, you have to ask if classic wow is really the game for you, instead of something a bit more hand-holdy.
Like retail.
Interesting echo-chamber thought there. I'll just leave this here: Patch 1.4.0 (2005-05-05): Combo points will no longer be removed if the target is deselected..
I am really happy to have /focus and mouseover options.
Just an fyi that focus macros aren't in.
I am really happy to have /focus and mouseover options.
Just an fyi that focus macros aren't in.
Thanks for shattering my drea... eeh, I mean, for telling me upfront!
Interesting echo-chamber thought there. I'll just leave this here: Patch 1.4.0 (2005-05-05): Combo points will no longer be removed if the target is deselected..
I think there is a lot of confusion about how mouseover macros work in conjunction with combo points, which is why I'm hoping there might be a blue post to clear things up at some point.
The whole patch note says "Combo points will no longer be removed if the target is deselected. They will only be removed if a different target is selected"
Looking at the macro code, mouseover macros technically "target" something. Is this the same as selecting someone?
In my mind, apart from what the patch notes say, the other question becomes: what does visual evidence from that time period show? There's always the possibilty that there was a bug and it didnt work as intended originally. Does anyone have an old PvP video that can show that a mouseover macro cleared or did not clear the combo points on another target?
We can debate all day what we think it should be, but in my opinion, only a definitive source (gameplay footage from that time, or a Blizzard post) can clear up the confusion.
In my mind, apart from what the patch notes say, the other question becomes: what does visual evidence from that time period show? There's always the possibilty that there was a bug and it didnt work as intended originally. Does anyone have an old PvP video that can show that a mouseover macro cleared or did not clear the combo points on another target?
Raven originally posted this link https://youtu.be/ii1bfARVFfk?t=360 you see him detarget and return to his original target with CP.
Edit: Detarget, targeting another player and then return to his original target with CP even.
Raven originally posted this link...you see him detarget and return to his original target with CP.
Edit: Detarget, targeting another player and then return to his original target with CP even.
Thanks. I missed that when I read through. It seems pretty clear from the video that, like you said the rogue puts CPs on the original target, gets feared, targets a gnome, then goes back to the original target with CPs still up.
Unless Blizz says otherwise, it seems pretty clear that it's working the way it used to.
I like all the rogues trying to pretend this is intended/valid balance change/always existed/effects everyone equally/etc etc.
It's not, and if you have to try and push for something like this, you have to ask if classic wow is really the game for you, instead of something a bit more hand-holdy.
Like retail.
Interesting echo-chamber thought there. I'll just leave this here: Patch 1.4.0 (2005-05-05): Combo points will no longer be removed if the target is deselected..
The issue in 1.12 wasn't deselecting, it was that casting a spell on another target cleared your CPs. 1.4's change has nothing to do with this.