Now now Stfuppercut dont get nasty, since the poll wasn't exactly going your way (70% no i think?), it appears your figures aren't actually swaying the people. I voted 'Maybe' fyi. I think they should launch without token and take stock after some time. I've stated my opinion in this thread plenty of times and going around and around is pointless. You've got other people to convince, not me.
Now now @Stfuppercut dont get nasty, since the poll wasn't exactly going yout way (70% no i think?), it appears your figures aren't actually swaying the people. I voted 'Maybe' fyi. I think they should launch without token and take stock after some time. I've stated my opinion in this thread plenty of times and going around and around is pointless. You've got other people to convince, not me.
Honestly, I anticipated even less support for the token. I believe it had less than 30% though... To be honest, I was a "maybe vote", and was surprised to see ANY "yes" votes. Again though, clicking yes/no isn't very valuable. Scroll back and look through this thread. A large portion of the no token votes, quite clearly don't understand how the token functions. This is why a yes/no vote isn't very valuable. A lot of people are #nochanges. A lot of people don't understand how the token works. Having a discussion about the token is vital to educating people on the implications of the token and hearing their reasoning behind wanting or not wanting the token ingame. This is a text based forum. If you want to have an opinion, that means putting yourself out there and making yourself vulnerable. I made this thread with the anticipation that almost NO one here would be in support of the token. I was pleasantly surpirsed to see there was actually a decent amount of support for the token... In regards to those in opposition of the token, often times screeching "nochanges" in easier than understanding the nuances and complexity of a topic. Some people here have offered arguments against the token. On your poll, there wasn't much stimulating debate.
Hijiacking a thread in hopes that a pole (with clear support) will go your way instead of offering a compelling counter argument, is not a mature way to deal with a conversation.
edit: as far as my ability to sway anyone, we would have to have seen a pre poll to understand how many people had changed their votes. Its entirely possible that I swayed 30% of the users :lol:
Polls are part of a democratic society, everyone, no matter how stupid, ignorant or ill informed you believe they are, will have a vote and that vote counts. You are attacking a large portion of the forums members with your posts. You are extremely aggressive and forceful of your opinions, and that drives many members away from posting. The poll was there to represent everyone, not just the confident debaters. I didn't want to hijack this thread, as this thread was a very serious debate, but unfortunately the serious debaters moved over. There is no safe place for the voters unfortunately, their 'voice' is gone now for this topic.
Back to the debate - like I have stated before, there will be bots, there will be gold sellers, that will be a black market that 90% of the community will avoid. Tokens will make a lot of those 90% buy gold. It's something I don't like, but it's something that is a reality. I hope they can launch without it, and stay without it for as long as possible. Token will help deal with black market bots and gold farmers, but I still don't want to have to get to that point. I would prefer it be a true recreation of vanilla. Optimistic? Probably.
Polls are part of a democratic society, everyone, no matter how stupid, ignorant or ill informed you believe they are, will have a vote and that vote counts. You are attacking a large portion of the forums members with your posts. You are extremely aggressive and forceful of your opinions, and that drives many members away from posting.
Relax, relax, relax. We go through this on every post. You are SO over the top lol. Caaaaaalm down Selexin... Calm.
The poll was there to represent everyone, not just the confident debaters. I didn't want to hijack this thread, as this thread was a very serious debate, but unfortunately the serious debaters moved over. There is no safe place for the voters unfortunately, their 'voice' is gone now for this topic.
I'm sorry you felt that way. I'll try to be more gentle with you in the future.
Back to the debate - like I have stated before, there will be bots, there will be gold sellers, that will be a black market that 90% of the community will avoid.
Source? Source that 90% of the community avoids the black market? Have you read my sources?
Tokens will make a lot of those 90% buy gold. It's something I don't like, but it's something that is a reality.
Source that the token increases the amount of gold being traded?
I hope they can launch without it, and stay without it for as long as possible. Token will help deal with black market bots and gold farmers, but I still don't want to have to get to that point. I would prefer it be a true recreation of vanilla. Optimistic? Probably.
Totally optimistic. I agree. Launch without it and reassess later. We were both 'maybe' votes :lol:
Edit: still no sources. From a guy who demands sources on almost all of my posts, this ironically does not surprise me. Hopefully those of you who are on the fence can take a look at the differences in argument here objectively. An argument built around sources and information and an argument built around emotion and guesswork.
Do anybody knows? Can I use WoW tokens to play WoW Classic that is going live in 2 weeks?
I don't see how this is even a question. Chinese gold farmers and bots are part of the Authentic Classic Experience(TM).
There are currently no bots running retail from what I understand. Please reference an actual bot before claiming the problem of botting. Can you provide a name or a link?
I think you are conflating no-lifers or straight up gold farmers on retail that flood the market and just "undercut by flooding" and this in turn, makes you think they are bots. People are just able to live nowadays on WoW... its quite possible... if your job was say, night shift at McDs, and you hate working there, so you work to scrap by on food rent and wifi, then fill in the holes with WoW....
I wouldn't want at all to introduce the token in classic. Why? Mainly because I prefer the idea of gold being won within the game and with effort in it.
One of the best things of a role-playing game is to live adventures in another world, with a character that is not you.
As far as economics is concerned, you can be a poor rat in the real world while in the game you're a wealthy blacksmith, or on the other side, you may be a rich businessman in real life, but in Azeroth, you'll have to bend down and pick flowers to earn your bread.
I believe that the economies of the two worlds should be separate. Always.
As for the argument that people who want to buy gold can do so illegally... well at least let's not make it so easy.
As for the argument that people who want to buy gold can do so illegally... well at least let's not make it so easy.
It not easy at all in the present, retail version of the game. Search Warden Blizzard on Wikipedia/Google and you will quickly see that Blizzards cheat detection is off the charts hard to bypass, due to hash checking and pattern matching - to the point where the depth of Warden raises legitimate privacy concerns. People claiming WoW botting is a threat in this thread are widely mis-informed and live in the state of mind set in wow 2 years ago - when botting actually made the Legion economy messed up.
Do anybody knows? Can I use WoW tokens to play WoW Classic that is going live in 2 weeks?
The only way that you can use WoW tokens to play Classic, is if you purchase them using gold in BFA. They add game time to your account overall, which (obviously) includes Classic. Classic itself will not have a store that you can purchase tokens from.
There are currently no bots running retail from what I understand. Please reference an actual bot before claiming the problem of botting. Can you provide a name or a link?
I think you are conflating no-lifers or straight up gold farmers on retail that flood the market and just "undercut by flooding" and this in turn, makes you think they are bots. People are just able to live nowadays on WoW... its quite possible... if your job was say, night shift at McDs, and you hate working there, so you work to scrap by on food rent and wifi, then fill in the holes with WoW....
Referenced on page 1. Take the time to read through the entire thread.
Classic itself will not have a store that you can purchase tokens from.
Yet. We may see that later on though.
I'd rather not have to choose between illegal crack and legal crack, but If I absolutely had to choose I'd prefer the scenario where not peddling crack is someone else's problem and not a self-policing issue.
Also google "bfa cheap gold" and then come back with how the token solved the illicit gold-selling problem.
All it did is grab Bobby Kotick a piece of the pie.
And if they could find a way to monetize boosts for real money it would already be in-game and gameplay concerns and game integrity be damned.
You are exactly the kind of audience that doesn't know what the f they want, enabling the beancounters to destroy a game one step at a time for your personal "convenience" then crying 10 years later "why is retail so shit".
enabling the beancounters to destroy a game one step at a time for your personal "convenience" then crying 10 years later "why is retail so shit".
Modern WoW is shit for reasons that have NOTHING to do with convenience.
Modern WoW is shit for reasons that have NOTHING to do with convenience.
That's not entirely true. LFG/LFR alone can be slotted into the convenience factor. Not having to go to the trainer for spells, also convenience. Automatic flight paths based on level, convenience. They all made the game much smaller, less immersive and less social by making everything instant/teleporty/convenient. That's why we want vanilla back, to get our world back, to get the Role Play back into MMORPG.
This is deviating from the topic though.