Let me make myself clear. The greed button in game literally has gold on it. If you are needing for gold, i will black list you for it.
Greed is an option for "AH Spec" items. This is bad habbit to Need on items you need only to sell and not equip it.
I think the idea is that getting an upgrade to your gear feels way better than some gold.
Again, I'm not sure why you expect 4 other random people to care about your feels. All BoE items are equal value. You are putting an emphasis on your own personal progression over the other people who assisted you in completing that dungeon. That is called greed.
I will be needing on all BoP rares and epics too, I can disenchant and sell shards on AH, which progresses my character further than you guys' gear upgrade is able to.
I will be needing on all BoP rares and epics too, I can disenchant and sell shards on AH, which progresses my character further than you guys' gear upgrade is able to.
What a total bad faith argument.
This has been explained thousands of times for nearly two decades, including in this very thread, but if you're still having trouble understanding I'll try once again to break it down for you:
All BoEs have equal value to all members of the group because you can either buy or sell the item for the same amount of money.
BoPs, obviously, do not have equal value. If you want a real world example, imagine if Hands of the Exalted were a rare BoE. They might be worth about 100 gold to players based on similar pre-raid BIS blues. You cannot disenchant them for 100 gold worth of value.
Your argument holds no weight, but go ahead and try to claim that you're more important than anyone else in your group and see how far that mentality gets you once you've been blacklisted by the server.
Additionally, the argument about the names of the buttons (Need/Greed) or the images they depict is completely irrelevant. They mean different things in different situations (Pugs, guild groups, BoEs, BoPs, etc). Not only would it be impossible for Blizzard to design a different loot system for several situations, it would be pointless and needlessly complicated.
If a https://classic.wowhead.com/item=943/warden-staff drops and there is a feral druid in the group, it's going to them. I would hate to see them miss out on a need roll and never be able to afford it from the AH. This isn't a blanket answer, but my personal opinion on BoE distribution in groups.
People are greedy mofos, people are evil and a lot of people are going to have a bad time.
If a Warden Staff drops and there is a feral druid in the group, it's going to them. I would hate to see them miss out on a need roll and never be able to afford it from the AH. This isn't a blanket answer...
This is exactly why most people will roll need on BoE items. There is no blanket answer. The only way to maintain some semblance of order with loot distribution while also maintaining consistency in pugs is to simply need on BoE items. That wardens staff is VERY valuable for the feral. In a perfect world, should it go to him? Sure, maybe... But there is no denying that with a valuable item like Wardens, all players in the group could sell it and reinvest to obtain items of equal value. Therefore the wardens staff has equal value for all group members.
Wardens is actually a great talking point because it will drop in low level content, yet maintains its value at max level. Most druids will be feral while leveling and very few druids will remain feral at max level. So Wardens will default go to ferals (most/all druids) who are leveling, most of whom will retire this item to their bank at max, instead of being rolled on by the entire group? Defining a players individual needs is timely and complicated. The general rule that can be used to avoid ninjaing and ensure fair loot distribution while maintaining consistency is simply to roll need on BoE's.
With Blizzard taking a hands off approach to loot disputes, I cant see any reason that players wont be needing on all BoE's. I will say, that this often causes controversy in groups and I will also say that when I roll need and win, I allow all players who passed to /roll and compare their rolls to my initial roll.
I allow all players who passed to /roll and compare their rolls to my initial roll.
Unfortunately the World [of Warcraft] is not full of people that will take this fair and level headed approach. It's messy no matter which way you look at it. People are greedy, fights will ensue. Run dungeons with friends/guildies as often as possible, there is much more sane and sensible decisions made with friends. With PUGs, expect anything.
So the Druid deserves a Warden Staff (offspec item) more than the other members of the group deserve their Edgemaster's Handguards (mainspec item), Freezing Band (mainspec item), Stockade Pauldrons (mainspec item), etc?
I'd love an explanation for that thought process.
What about... everyone contributed equally and therefore should have an equal opportunity to obtain an upgrade to their character? Why is everyone so determined to arbitrarily play favorites?
And if you want to give up your roll, then fine that's your decision. But if you're gonna shame or "blacklist" other people simply for taking their earned random shot at an upgrade, then that just makes you a jerk.
I will do whatever the group does. If its normal BoE stuff not worth to much gold people can need and equip but if its some really expensive BoE I will write "all need" and click need and expect everyone to need, but I have also greeded in similar situations. It depends on the group and situation really. The vast majority of all players are nice and honest. Its usually not a problem.
So the Druid deserves a Warden Staff (offspec item) more than the other members of the group deserve
If a Warden Staff drops and there is a feral druid in the group, it's going to them.
If you were referring to my post, I specifically mentioned that if there was a feral druid in the group. I don't expect PUGs to follow my example though, PUGs can be such a mixed bag it's impossible to predict what some people will do.
In a guild group I would pass for anyone who could use, but in a pug? Are you really going to pass on a Teebu's because a random guy says he will use it?
I don't expect PUGs to follow my example though, PUGs can be such a mixed bag it's impossible to predict what some people will do.
This whole thread is about PUGs. It doesn't make any sense to discuss how groups of friends or guilds distribute their loot. Obviously they have other priorities, like raid progression.
And again, why does the feral Druid deserve his upgrade over the other 4 members of the group? Why is everyone in this thread trying to arbitrarily assign loot?
Everyone says that there's no argument for rolling need on BoEs, but as soon as an argument is proposed no one can seem to come up with a response.
Its all about talking it out. In the beginning of the instance it is totally acceptable to just say "Hey guys, everyone Need BoEs" and just go with that. It prevents that single ninja guy from waiting for everyone to greed and then needing.
Basically, if everyone rolls NEED on a BoE, then no one can ninja it and it's fair. While if people choose greed, they are vulnerable to some ninja choosing need just to make gold. It's not a big deal.
Its all about talking it out. In the beginning of the instance it is totally acceptable to just say "Hey guys, everyone Need BoEs" and just go with that. It prevents that single ninja guy from waiting for everyone to greed and then needing.
Basically, if everyone rolls NEED on a BoE, then no one can ninja it and it's fair. While if people choose greed, they are vulnerable to some ninja choosing need just to make gold. It's not a big deal.
Not fair for the person that really needed that piece of gear which someone just needed to sell on AH.