For instance I believe warlock has a build that allows for high end raiding while also allowing for farming PVP at a decent level. Any others come to mind?
Well the usual best PvE build for Warlocks is the SM/Ruin build, at least I think that's what they usually run. And warlock in general with any spec is no joke in PvP.
Combat Rogue is fine for PvP, deep frost mage is fine for PvP (though back in the day people would PvP with fire as well), and I think hunters raiding Marksmanship spec was good for PvP as well. Hunters, Rogues, and Warlocks are just good PvP classes no matter what you do.
Mages, full frost. You can build it while leveling and turn it into an effective AOE grinder. It works well as a beginner spec with Winter's Chill to support other geared raid mages. It is also super effective for PvP, the defensives make 2v1's a snap....a cold snap!
Hunter, especially in the early raid scene. Farm/pvp/raid, the world is yours.
Hunter, especially in the early raid scene. Farm/pvp/raid, the world is yours.
Hunters are the all-terrain vehicle of WoW.
In addition to the aforementioned Combat Rogue, Frost Mage and Warlock (SL might actually work PvE aswell played as a DS/Ruin without Ruin) I add Druid Moonglow/Resto, Priest Disc and Shaman Elemental/Resto.
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hunter is incorrect, its mage priest or shaman
SL might actually work PvE aswell played as a DS/Ruin without Ruin
SL might actually work PvE aswell played as a DS/Ruin without Ruin
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Haha, funny quote. If you think the specs are so fundamentally different I’ll rephrase myself: I think a Warlock can get away with a SL spec in PvE (using DS in PvE, not SL ofcourse). Not talking about min/maxing, in which case NO class has a spec which is perfect for both PvE and PvP.
hunter is incorrect, its mage priest or shaman
Interesting. Wrong, but interesting.
Not talking about min/maxing, in which case NO class has a spec which is perfect for both PvE and PvP.
Except for full-frost mages. Listed as such in most mage guides lol. The difference comes after BWL when mages have to go full fire since raid mobs stop becoming so resistant to fire and https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=12848/ignite can really shine. PvP as full fire provides significantly less defensive protections that frost has but if you have an aggressive play-style it can work just fine in PvP as well.
Not talking about min/maxing, in which case NO class has a spec which is perfect for both PvE and PvP.
Except for full-frost mages. Listed as such in most mage guides lol. The difference comes after BWL when mages have to go full fire since raid mobs stop becoming so resistant to fire and https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=12848/ignite can really shine. PvP as full fire provides significantly less defensive protections that frost has but if you have an aggressive play-style it can work just fine in PvP as well.
I don’t agree because a full frost mage going semi-deep in Arcane would choose Arcane Meditation for PvE but Imp Counterspell for PvP. A full frost mage would have Winter’s Chill for PvE but for PvP those points would be better invested elsewhere (even Impact would be better only for Fireblast). Thus, not even a frost mage has an ideal spec for both PvE and PvP at the same time.
Not talking about min/maxing, in which case NO class has a spec which is perfect for both PvE and PvP.
Except for full-frost mages. Listed as such in most mage guides lol. The difference comes after BWL when mages have to go full fire since raid mobs stop becoming so resistant to fire and https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=12848/ignite can really shine. PvP as full fire provides significantly less defensive protections that frost has but if you have an aggressive play-style it can work just fine in PvP as well.
I don’t agree because a full frost mage going semi-deep in Arcane would choose Arcane Meditation for PvE but Imp Counterspell for PvP. A full frost mage would have Winter’s Chill for PvE but for PvP those points would be better invested elsewhere (even Impact would be better only for Fireblast). Thus, not even a frost mage has an ideal spec for both PvE and PvP at the same time.
I mean you'd have to make some sacrifices. No build is 100% perfect for both PvP and PvE. In fact, that's not even what the thread is about. A 31 point Frost Mage build is good in PvP and PvE, and you can add more points Frost or Arcane to suit your needs. The amount of choice you have is what makes the game fun. If you going to widdle down the specs to both PvP and PvE viability, Frost Mage 100% makes the short list.
[...] NO class has a spec which is perfect for both PvE and PvP.
Except for full-frost mages [...]
I don’t agree because [...]
I mean you'd have to make some sacrifices. No build is 100% perfect for both PvP and PvE. In fact, that's not even what the thread is about [...]
I agree and that’s exactly what I said if you follow the quotes.